Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
#2426
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
Yeah I'm with mostly everyone else here, I don't get the Eisenburg casting at all. He's a good actor and I generally like him but just seems really random and an odd choice for Lex Luthor. Looks wise I just don't really see it, unless they plan on making him be like the Hackman version of Luthor who wears a wig and we don't see him how he traditionally looks most of the film. Even so he seems way too young for the part if you ask me, I'd picture the ideal Lex at least in his mid thirties. Jeremy Irons is an okay choice for Alfred I suppose. He looks the part but I'm kind of indifferent to him overall. It's really starting to feel like the producers of this film are just throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks.
#2427
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
The choice for Lex is bewildering, but Eisenberg likely comes much cheaper than some of the other names that were being thrown around. Even a blockbuster like this has a finite budget and the cast is getting more and more expensive with each name added.
#2428
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
Personally I'm not entirely comfortable with Irons cast as Alfred either because while yes he is English (check), older (check), a noteworthy actor with a long career (check) and seems like he's at place around money and privilege, he's patrician in a cold way.
Caine, despite having a more working class background/vibe, was a warmer presence- You bought the sense of closeness and familial bonding there between him and Wayne.
I can easily picture Irons snidely, sarcastically commenting while he performs some function, but when we get the moment (if we get the moment) where we see "see- he's an asshole but he really cares about Bruce like a father", I'm less likely to buy it-especially with Synder directing the scene. This sounds like it will be more in line with the Animated series dynamic, though I still don't trust Synder to get it as pitch perfect as that entity did.
That's just my initial gut feeling.
As for Eisenberg, Renn made a comment on CHUD that I find interesting to consider
That change to the character I think could be interesting- however-the casting of Eisenberg then becomes a "safe" choice- as one note as simply casting whatever Bald actor has played a villain recently.
Whatever else Luthor is, he should be charismatic. He should display an Alpha personality despite not being the physically strongest person in the room. "Utopian tech genius turned billionaire" is a valid, new & interesting take- but in the context of Luthor we're talking more Steve Jobs than Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. So it still doesn't really work.
Caine, despite having a more working class background/vibe, was a warmer presence- You bought the sense of closeness and familial bonding there between him and Wayne.
I can easily picture Irons snidely, sarcastically commenting while he performs some function, but when we get the moment (if we get the moment) where we see "see- he's an asshole but he really cares about Bruce like a father", I'm less likely to buy it-especially with Synder directing the scene. This sounds like it will be more in line with the Animated series dynamic, though I still don't trust Synder to get it as pitch perfect as that entity did.
That's just my initial gut feeling.
As for Eisenberg, Renn made a comment on CHUD that I find interesting to consider
Updating Luthor from the old-school industrial capitalist to some kind of Utopian tech geek turned billionaire is truly inspired.
Whatever else Luthor is, he should be charismatic. He should display an Alpha personality despite not being the physically strongest person in the room. "Utopian tech genius turned billionaire" is a valid, new & interesting take- but in the context of Luthor we're talking more Steve Jobs than Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. So it still doesn't really work.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
I picture Irons as more of a pain in the ass Alfred. Always on Bruce's case like Cain's Alfred, but with less tears...
#2430
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
Personally I'm not entirely comfortable with Irons cast as Alfred either because while yes he is English (check), older (check), a noteworthy actor with a long career (check) and seems like he's at place around money and privilege, he's patrician in a cold way.
Caine, despite having a more working class background/vibe, was a warmer presence- You bought the sense of closeness and familial bonding there between him and Wayne.
I can easily picture Irons snidely, sarcastically commenting while he performs some function, but when we get the moment (if we get the moment) where we see "see- he's an asshole but he really cares about Bruce like a father", I'm less likely to buy it-especially with Synder directing the scene. This sounds like it will be more in line with the Animated series dynamic, though I still don't trust Synder to get it as pitch perfect as that entity did.
That's just my initial gut feeling.
Caine, despite having a more working class background/vibe, was a warmer presence- You bought the sense of closeness and familial bonding there between him and Wayne.
I can easily picture Irons snidely, sarcastically commenting while he performs some function, but when we get the moment (if we get the moment) where we see "see- he's an asshole but he really cares about Bruce like a father", I'm less likely to buy it-especially with Synder directing the scene. This sounds like it will be more in line with the Animated series dynamic, though I still don't trust Synder to get it as pitch perfect as that entity did.
That's just my initial gut feeling.
As for Eisenberg, Renn made a comment on CHUD that I find interesting to consider
That change to the character I think could be interesting- however-the casting of Eisenberg then becomes a "safe" choice- as one note as simply casting whatever Bald actor has played a villain recently.
Whatever else Luthor is, he should be charismatic. He should display an Alpha personality despite not being the physically strongest person in the room. "Utopian tech genius turned billionaire" is a valid, new & interesting take- but in the context of Luthor we're talking more Steve Jobs than Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. So it still doesn't really work.
That change to the character I think could be interesting- however-the casting of Eisenberg then becomes a "safe" choice- as one note as simply casting whatever Bald actor has played a villain recently.
Whatever else Luthor is, he should be charismatic. He should display an Alpha personality despite not being the physically strongest person in the room. "Utopian tech genius turned billionaire" is a valid, new & interesting take- but in the context of Luthor we're talking more Steve Jobs than Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. So it still doesn't really work.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
That change to the character I think could be interesting- however-the casting of Eisenberg then becomes a "safe" choice- as one note as simply casting whatever Bald actor has played a villain recently.
Whatever else Luthor is, he should be charismatic. He should display an Alpha personality despite not being the physically strongest person in the room. "Utopian tech genius turned billionaire" is a valid, new & interesting take- but in the context of Luthor we're talking more Steve Jobs than Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. So it still doesn't really work.
But see, to me.... Lex has never really actually been an Industrial Capitalist in the films!!! That's what has always been the problem in my book. He was always a skulking Mastermind with a huge Ego scamming old ladies and living in sewers.
Give me in your face Industrial Capitalist Lex in his Ivory Office ANY DAY! I thought we would eventually get that when i saw the "LexCorp" tanker truck in MoS.
#2432
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
I can't imagine Iron's part being all that huge (bigger than Wonder Woman's? or Perry White? or Lois?) so it probably won't make a big difference either way.
#2433
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
A Steve Jobs-like tech genius is someone I could envision overseeing a vast empire or products and services. A Zuckerberg-like tech genius I can't. That's why, for as well and creatively intentioned this casting might be, it still looks like a big fail.
#2434
DVD Talk Legend
re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
Caine's Alfred wasn't that overly emotional throughout the trilogy, he was more or less the voice of reason and the concerned figure in Bruce's life. He was mainly in The Dark Knight Rises but it made sense in that seeing as how you knew he genuinely cared for Bruce and was basically a father figure to him and he didn't want to see him get killed or seriously injured in his pursuit of being Batman. People like to give that shit but I didn't see why it was such a problem.
#2436
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
Even if you buy Eisenberg as a tech genius, or whatever you still have to buy him as legitimate threat to Superman and humanity. Wearing a battle suit, or just commanding a room.
#2437
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
I hear Michael Cera has been cast as Robin and Justin Bieber is Jimmy Olsen
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
I can't imagine Phoenix or Cranston would have been pricier than Eisenberg. Especially Cranston, who while awesome as Walter White, is really more of a character actor.
#2440
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
#2441
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
I think Eisenberg will be an interesting choice. I imagine they'll be going for a "Evil Mark Zuckerberg" vibe.
#2442
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Re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
#2444
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Re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
WB is going to load Eisenberg with drugs and have him od then the fans will go nuts and say he's the greatest Joker ever.
#2448
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Re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
If Luthor is going to be a billionaire tech geek instead of an billionaire industrialist, what were in those LexCorp tankers in MAN OF STEEL?
#2449
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Re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
#2450
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Re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Snyder; S: Eisenberg)
I keep hoping this is a red herring and Jesse is just playing a younger Luthor in flashbacks (ala Kevin Costner in the first movie).