taffer

Or a third option: stunt double. It's not like actors typically do their own stunts. They could easily have a martial artist stunt double for Affleck.

I don't deny there won't be CGI. Superhero movies are full of it. But to say the fights will be nothing but CGI is a bit of a stretch.


Acrobatic? Bruce Wayne was never an acrobat. Dick Grayson was.

Solid Snake

You don't have to an acrobat to be acrobatic about something.

taffer

I think you mean agile. Acrobatic definitely implies acrobat. It's the root word.

Solid Snake

You're overthinking it.

E Unit

Yes! Bring in Godzilla as well!

I love the non-stop talk saying "this is going to be epic" nonsense. Reminds me of The Matrix Reloaded, how they said the car chase "was going to be epic". Look how that panned out. I guess if this movie and its "epic" fighting is better than that silliness between Supes and Zod in the last one, well I guess that's a step in the right direction.

DaveyJoe

That would be epic!

fumanstan

I love that car chase

fujishig

Isn't he wearing bat armor in that scene, though? or am I just thinking about the comic?

Solid Snake

The teaser showed him in armor. The cartoon movie based on Miller comic also had him in armor. They did some really good choreography in that scene. Even more impressive is how the georgraphy of the region was used. Still honored the imagery but added its own neat flair.

taffer

It's been said time and time again that this movie isn't an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns. It only takes a few inspirations from that comic such as an older veteran Batman. The movie is as much as adaptation of the comic as The Dark Knight Rises was of Knightfall. Which is to say none at all other than Bane "breaking" the Bat.

Batman and Superman have fought countless times in the comics. Sometimes Batman wears heavy armor, and other times he doesn't. In the Hush storyarc, for example, they fought and Batman didn't wear heavy armor.

Solid Snake

And.....?

taffer

And what? The previous poster was referring back to The Dark Knight Returns, and I was saying that people need to stop doing this because the movie is not an adaptation of that comic.

stingermck

It's about time. No movie has shown the martial arts master he truly is.

RocShemp

I'd rather Isaac Florentine direct the action sequences. Also, Scott Adkins should be Batfleck's fight double.

The fact that we've seen Batfleck wearing TDKR-inspired armor in the teaser, it's a safe bet that's what he'll wear during their fight.

Guru Askew

The Dark Knight Rises already used too much of the first Mutant Leader issue/chapter of The Dark Knight Returns for it to be viably re-used 4 years later in another Batman movie anyway.

DaveyJoe

You're right, the guy who made the Raid movies is no match for the Power Rangers director.

RocShemp

I found the fights in The Raid overlong. Well, choreographed, yes, but clearly from the Peter Jackson/Michael Bay school of action sequence length. I prefer the leaner/meaner approach by Isaac Florentine. If not him, let Chad Stahelski and David Leitch co-direct the action sequences.

Solid Snake

So much yes for the bolded part. that would have been awesome. Yeah, they were looking at him for Bats but... fuck. If he could play fights... we'd finally get a Batman who can do so much more without the cut.

GoldenJCJ

I guess it's just because I never read the comics, therefore don't know what kind of fights Batman and Superman have gotten into but the whole thing seems silly to me. Bat armor or no bat armor, Scott Adkins or Bruce fucking Lee, it's still a normal earthling fighting Superman! Who gives a shit if Bruce Wayne is the greatest martial artist ever, he's still just a man fighting a god (for all intents and purposes).

E Unit

Batman wears bionics in this, just like the Six Million Man. Problem solved.

RocShemp

Doesn't he also develop Kryptonite alongside Lex Luthor in this movie? I seem to recall that being mentioned as the reason why Wayne Industries and Lexcorp are working together.

Also, one of the special features of the MOS Blu-ray is a "documentary" that details the recovery and study of Kryptonian weapons after the battle of Metropolis. I wouldn't be surprised if such weapons are reverse engineered specifically with kicking Superman's ass in mind.

Kal-El

...against a super powered alien who could:

- burn him from 2 miles away with his heat vision (well away from the effects of whatever Kryptonite thing Bats has)
- freeze his ass off from 2 miles away with this Superbreath, then carry him to space where he can't breathe
- grab a huge rock/car/truck/tank and throw it at him from 2 miles away with incredible velocity, most probably killing him
- throw a celophane symbol of hope to render him immobile before he steps on his neck and breaks it :-)

I really don't understand why these 2 would need to fight hand-to-hand combat. Have them fight over ideals on whose way is better in handling the situation. Have them fight on the importance of life and justice. Of the needs of the many versus the needs of the few.

Really looks like Snyder doesn't understand superheroes in the same way Bay doesn't understand robots. They just think of what' "cool" and throw it up on the screen.

E Unit

No. Bionics.

taffer

What about Captain America and Iron Man fighting Thor in the Avengers movie? That was essentially the same thing. Two humans versus a "god."

Very recent comic spoilers:

fujishig

Because fighting over ideals doesn't sell movie tickets?

And have you read the source material (not DKR specifically, but comics in general)? Are you saying that all those comic book writers don't understand superheroes, because the heroes throw down with each other at a moment's notice for no other reason than it's cool and it sells comics.

Superman is obviously overpowered (as is the Flash) so they often conveniently forget he has super speed or heat vision when he fights. See, for example, Doomsday. Or they use Kryptonite or Magic (when, as you say, Superman should be able to counter either of those from distance).