Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
08-26-19, 05:47 PM
#1401
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
This is a very plausible theory and I could buy it for a story arc. Palpatine's master plan was to clone Rey and this is her evil Sith Clone we see at the end of the Teaser. Remember in TLJ when she goes into the cave on Ach-Tu to find out who her parents are, she sees an endless parade of Rey's as that could be a metaphor that she was a clone? Crazy theory, but it's fun speculating!
The whole clone subplot was one of the few great ideas from the PT, as the Kamino part was the one thing I enjoyed from the movie. All the macro stuff from the PT is pretty good from Lucas, it's the characters and their relationships/friendships/motives is where the whole Trilogy falls like a house of cards.
The whole clone subplot was one of the few great ideas from the PT, as the Kamino part was the one thing I enjoyed from the movie. All the macro stuff from the PT is pretty good from Lucas, it's the characters and their relationships/friendships/motives is where the whole Trilogy falls like a house of cards.
08-26-19, 06:17 PM
#1402
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Instead of clones, maybe Rey has a long lost twin? Separated at birth, like Luke and Leia? One light, one dark, bringing 'balance to the force.' It'd be hackneyed and I hope Abrams and co. don't go that route, but I wouldn't put it past them.
08-26-19, 06:18 PM
#1403
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
but who is Rey a clone of? she's not a Palpatine "clone" by the strict definition of the word.
08-26-19, 06:31 PM
#1404
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think Luke makes the most sense. That way she’s not his daughter in a literal sense, but she comes from him indirectly. I’m not sure how much DNA would be needed to make a clone so maybe it was mixed with someone else’s. When the saber was found his hand may have still been holding it. The question would be how it wound up in the wrong hands (pun intended) and how Maz was able to recover the lightsaber.
I think where Palpatine comes into play is that he would want to transfer his essence or whatever you want to call it into a host body that’s strong with the Force.
I think where Palpatine comes into play is that he would want to transfer his essence or whatever you want to call it into a host body that’s strong with the Force.
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08-26-19, 07:03 PM
#1406
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Is it possible that Darth Rey is one of those out-of-place dark side dreams that the series throws at us every once in a while. Maybe Rey is dreaming of confronting her dark side self.
I never read anything EU so I don’t know what silliness the filmmakers may have pulled from the EU about clones, etc.
I never read anything EU so I don’t know what silliness the filmmakers may have pulled from the EU about clones, etc.
08-26-19, 07:34 PM
#1407
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I can't say I'm too wild about re-using clones in the sequel trilogy (Clone Wars II?), but it is slightly better than that time travel theory that was making the rounds a while back.
For those who didn't hear about it (spoilered just in case somebody freaks out)...
And, yeah, it sounds dreadful, but time travel is one of those itches that every science fiction series eventually needs to scratch. I really hope Filoni didn't open up a Pandora's Box in Rebels...
For those who didn't hear about it (spoilered just in case somebody freaks out)...
Spoiler:
And, yeah, it sounds dreadful, but time travel is one of those itches that every science fiction series eventually needs to scratch. I really hope Filoni didn't open up a Pandora's Box in Rebels...
08-26-19, 07:37 PM
#1408
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
08-26-19, 07:48 PM
#1409
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Dammit. My heart has grown so cold to Star Wars, the new trailer does nothing for me. It makes me sad having been such a huge fan since 77. Several years ago I would have had goose bumps and maybe shed a tear at something like that. Now, nothing. I don't like feeling like that.
08-26-19, 07:59 PM
#1410
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Sith Army Knife.<script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
08-26-19, 08:20 PM
#1411
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Don’t really get the point of having two blades side by side other than a new version of a lightsaber to use for selling toys. It’s awkward looking and she’s only holding one hilt anyways. Unless it can split into two.
08-26-19, 08:21 PM
#1412
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Dammit. My heart has grown so cold to Star Wars, the new trailer does nothing for me. It makes me sad having been such a huge fan since 77. Several years ago I would have had goose bumps and maybe shed a tear at something like that. Now, nothing. I don't like feeling like that.
Maybe it’s not fair to compare the new movies to the original trilogy and how it made me feel as a kid but it’s kind of hard not to do when they keep reminding me of it with their promos.
08-26-19, 08:26 PM
#1413
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Nostalgia is always going to play a factor with films like this. The era you grew up with is likely to be your favorite. I wonder how many new fans the Sequel Trilogy has really made. Not even taking into account the quality of the films, but Star Wars has more to compete with now for the attention of audiences (particularly comic book films and the MCU). I think even the Prequel Trilogy created a new generation of fans because it hit at the right time. The generation who grew up with the Original Trilogy were taking their kids at that point and there weren’t as many major blockbuster films to compete with.
08-26-19, 08:27 PM
#1414
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Yeah, I'm getting time-travel & alternate timeline vibes. Didn't you guys see that there was an evil C-3PO with the red eyes?
08-26-19, 08:27 PM
#1415
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
god, this sequel trilogy was so easy to write, but they fucked it up.
more (any?) scenes with luke, leia and han together.. introduce lando sooner. integrate old and new characters fighting together. and have it all end with Luke and Rey fighting with lightsabers back to back.... fan services, but god dammit... shoulda just given it to us.
more (any?) scenes with luke, leia and han together.. introduce lando sooner. integrate old and new characters fighting together. and have it all end with Luke and Rey fighting with lightsabers back to back.... fan services, but god dammit... shoulda just given it to us.
08-26-19, 08:40 PM
#1416
Senior Member
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
08-26-19, 09:05 PM
#1418
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
0-0-0, Doctor Aphra's torture droid, is a black chrome, red-eyed protocol droid.
Actually,Doctor Aphra from Marvel Comics is probably the best new addition to the Disney Star Wars canon.
08-26-19, 09:12 PM
#1419
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
That's not Doctor Aphra's torture droid, though. Unless they decided not use the color coded system they have and paint him black.
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08-26-19, 09:16 PM
#1420
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Dammit. My heart has grown so cold to Star Wars, the new trailer does nothing for me. It makes me sad having been such a huge fan since 77. Several years ago I would have had goose bumps and maybe shed a tear at something like that. Now, nothing. I don't like feeling like that.
If whoever is in charge of the canon -- Kennedy? Iger? the story group? -- has some kind of grand, cohesive vision for the franchise, it sure as fuck isn't coming through in the final product.
08-26-19, 09:17 PM
#1421
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
While I’m not absolutely in love with the idea either I do like that it would be a way to kind of tie everything together. I think it’s one of the better suggested ideas to kind of line the trilogies up with one another. Although really it more lines up the prequels with the sequels, but both were built off of what came from the Original Trilogy so I suppose it works.
Palpatine built his army with Clones so it makes sense he may have been tinkering with the technology for other purposes. The question is if Rey is a clone who is she a clone of? Luke (maybe via his severed hand?), Anakin/Vader possibly, Palpatine himself, or maybe a combination of them all. Some interesting ways it could play out really.
We still never got the explanation for how Anakin/Luke’s blue lightsaber was ever found. The idea that maybe Rey is a clone and came partly from Luke and that’s why the saber called to her could be a good explanation. It’s also a good way to explain why she’s so powerful from the get go, which I’m sure will ruffle some feathers if that’s the given explanation, but she was overpowered from the start even though I don’t mind her as a character.
To be honest I’ll be a bit disappointed if it’s not something along these lines because the more I think about it I kind of like the idea. Really seems like it would work well.
08-26-19, 09:19 PM
#1422
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
08-26-19, 09:27 PM
#1424
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Wow, yeah. This could solve a lot of "problems" with TLJ. I like the severed hand idea and having that clue in since TFA. If they had this whole thing planned out since TFA it will redeem Lucasfilm for me. I didn't have as much of a problem with TLJ. I was willing to wait to pass judgement on TLJ until TRS came out. Until I learned they didn't have a story arch and were making it up as they went along. . But if they really did have a plan this would really change things.
08-26-19, 09:29 PM
#1425
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Sith Army Knife.<script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yeah I don't know. I really hope this isn't a dream or a force test because then they would have really made it just to sell toys. This is one lightsaber that REALLY feels gimicky. Maul's was plain awesome and allowed him to go toe to toe with two jedi. Kylo's seemed pretty ridiculous but fits his more chaotic personality and has grown on me even though it might not really be practical. But at least based on the first trailer it seems he actually uses his crossguard to kill someone so they aren't completely useless. But this...this just seems...I dunno unless they show some cool practical use it looks like they let someone's 12 year old design it.
