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Mike86

kefrank

The Skywalker bloodline is carried forward in this trilogy by Kylo Ren. Why does Rey need to have Skywalker lineage too in order for this to be "the story of the Skywalkers"?

Mike86

kefrank

I don't follow your logic. A different situation than what? In both previous trilogies there are Jedi and Force users that aren't part of the Skywalker lineage. In keeping with that theme, Rey at least up to this point, is powerful in the Force and seemingly not part of the Skywalker bloodline. Kylo Ren is the key character in the current trilogy that has the power of the Force and is in the Skywalker bloodline. Seems perfectly consistent to me.

I also find the glib dismissal of Leia's Force potential a little odd, given that Yoda referred to her as the "another" they could put their hope in if Luke failed, Luke straight up tells her "you have that power" in ROTJ, and in TLJ she manages to survive in the vacuum of space using the Force, which is arguably one of the most powerful uses of the Force we've seen in any of the Star Wars movies.

Mike86

kefrank

I still find your position logically inconsistent. You seem to be saying that this trilogy is supposed to continue the story of the Skywalkers specifically in the context of their power in the Force. But then you think of Kylo Ren - a character shown to be very powerful in the Force, who idolizes his maternal grandfather Darth Vader and denounced Han Solo as his father - as "more of a Solo". What Force powers did he inherit from Han Solo? I don't get it.

Your stronger argument is the one you added to your edited post about seeds planted in TFA surrounding Rey and her heritage. I still don't find it a very convincing argument though, personally. TFA most definitely establishes mystery in who Rey is and where she came from, but the best mysteries most often have unexpected resolutions. I think it would be pretty disappointing if the mystery is solved by showing Rey has some Skywalker blood somehow as well. That would make this Star Wars universe seem even smaller than it already does. I certainly think it's a possibility and it could be done in a way that isn't disappointing, but I don't at all agree with the stance that she has to be in the Skywalker bloodline somehow for this trilogy to still be as consistently about the Skywalkers as the others have been. I would find it far more compelling if Rey as a character expands the Star Wars mythology rather than merely regurgitating it even more than this trilogy already has.

Draven

Going off the movies, Luke wasn't nearly as powerful as Vader or Palpatine in the Force. Luke could call his lightsaber to his hand and do big jumps and flips. (Everyone who hates TLJ dismisses what Luke could do in that movie so I guess it can't be discussed here). Vader could choke someone across a huge distance and Palpatine could do everything Luke could do (we saw it in the prequels) AND shoot Force lightning.

So maybe this idea that parentage is important isn't really important except for the one time it was between Vader and Luke.

Rey represents a new generation of Jedi. She doesn't have to be related to Luke or a clone for that to make sense.

Who were Mace Windu's parents? Who were Kit Fisto's parents? Don't know? Right! Because it doesn't matter.

Mike86

GoldenJCJ

Draven

GoldenJCJ

mcnabb

I was a big proponent of Rey being somebody after TFA, specifically Luke's daughter. But I have softened and I actually hope she stays Rey Nobody in Episode 9. The worst thing they can do is make her created by Palpatine, or some other crazy theories of how she came to be (I hate when the Franchise gets too Sci-Fyish as I enjoy the sense of adventure and when the characters/story is relatable). They should just stick with the 'nobody' angle for the ST as she, Poe and Finn can be a different type of heroes, compared to Luke/Leia in the OT, and The Jedi Knights in the PT. As for the Skywalker Saga, Kylo Ren is a Skywalker because his mom's is Leia and Grandfather is Darth Vader. It would be no different than devaluing Luke/Leia's Force Abilities cause their mom was a non Force User in Padme. The bottom line is Kylo Ren is getting redeemed (whether we like it or not) as Kelly Marie Tran sort of spilled the beans in an interview this weekend where she said the movies are always about redemption, and stressed redemption. The million dollar question is how do they redeem Ben Solo without it being a carbon copy of ROTJ and Vader's redemption?

kefrank

We've only seen two-thirds of this trilogy. What if The Rise of Skywalker shows that it's been about

Draven

melasnus

That's the thing, isn't it?
If we know ANYTHING, we know Disney is not going to stop making SW movies.
They didn't hand George 4 billion bucks for his Star Wars franchise without SOME idea of what to do with it.
IF this film ends with her going to the Dark Side it wouldn't be a bigtime shock (there's always Ep.10 ).

This trilogy (IMO) is to "retire" Ford, Fisher, and Hamill.
The subtitle of Ep.9 is "The Rise of the Skywalkers."
That's an important thing to keep in mind...

Rob V

Apparently the "Dark Rey" we see is from a vision if you believe this redacted tweet

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/star...154500956.html

hdtv00

Course it is Disney doesn't have the balls to turn her to the dark side and you ALL know it. Although I like the idea from a writing standpoint because it could explain how she is so powerful magically with the force. The dark side is easier, quicker, and Luke even says to her you went straight to the dark side or whatever during that training bit in Last Jedi. But yea it'll never happen.

I don't care who her parents are at this point UNLESS it relates to how stupid powerful she is for someone who didn't even know the force was real at one point ...ugh. The biggest problem the two movies thus far suffer is they aren't written as a trilogy they're just go make up your own crap on Last Jedi that undoes nearly everything before it. Maybe JJ can fix it , maybe he can't we'll see in Dec.

Rob V

From everything I've seen and the history of SW makes me believe she's a clone. Yep, a clone from Luke's hand. Stupid... but that's what I'm expecting at this point.

clappj

That sounds silly! Rey looks nothing like Luke's hand.

candyrocket786

Back when Zahn's books were released, this was a pretty interesting concept when you consider that the majority of fans where hungry for anything Star Wars (the prequel stuff was announced within a few years, SW POTF figures hit the shelves, etc). So when we were reading The Last Command, the whole thing was completely badass, at least from a story perspective (Hell... I was still in my teens). Other than Dark Empire, nothing in the "Clone" area had really been done.

Now... years later, after all the bullshit, clones, prequels, sequels, animated series, Di$ney... yeah.... it does sound pretty stupid.

melasnus

Absolutely right.
I doubt it...the damage has already been done.

slop101

Hey, remember how the Han Solo movie was set up for a direct sequel?
We're never getting that sequel, are we?
More damning; no one really cares that we aren't.

JeremyM

I think a Lando film that serves as a "sequel" to Solo wouldn't be the worst idea, but more than likely you are correct. I liked the Star Wars underworld stuff, though. Maybe The Mandalorian will give my my fix of that.

melasnus

The Solo movie is the best Disney SW movie IMO.
It felt like a SW movie should.