Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I can’t believe how many people place so much importance on who Rey’s parents are. Who cares? What a stupid detail to invest so much in.
#1452
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
This is supposed to be the story of the Skywalker’s, not just some random girl with Force powers. I’m not opposed to that, but then don’t try and tie it to the episodic films while taking a dump on the legacy characters and expect me and others not to care. That’s why I have issues with the explanation we’ve been given so far.
Last edited by Mike86; 08-27-19 at 04:17 PM.
#1453
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
This is supposed to be the story of the Skywalker’s, not just some random girl with Force powers. I’m not opposed to that, but then don’t try and tie it to the episodic films while taking a dump on the legacy characters and expect me and others not to care. That’s why I have issues with the explanation we’ve been given so far.
#1454
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I also feel like it comes back to why plant that seed in the first place if Rey was indeed intended to be no one? Things seem to line up more with what’s been shown (the saber calling to her, the weird Force visions she had, how powerful she is) by going with the clone route. Not saying they’ll go that route, but to me on a personal level that would be a lot more satisfying of an answer.
Last edited by Mike86; 08-27-19 at 04:49 PM.
#1455
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I also find the glib dismissal of Leia's Force potential a little odd, given that Yoda referred to her as the "another" they could put their hope in if Luke failed, Luke straight up tells her "you have that power" in ROTJ, and in TLJ she manages to survive in the vacuum of space using the Force, which is arguably one of the most powerful uses of the Force we've seen in any of the Star Wars movies.
#1456
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I also find the glib dismissal of Leia's Force potential a little odd, given that Yoda referred to her as the "another" they could put their hope in if Luke failed, Luke straight up tells her "you have that power" in ROTJ, and in TLJ she manages to survive in the vacuum of space using the Force, which is arguably one of the most powerful uses of the Force we've seen in any of the Star Wars movies.
Going with that I think you could say that maybe is why Ben isn’t as strong with the Force as he potentially could be. He still has it in him, but really Leia isn’t as strong with it as Luke was. He still has it in him as well, but Leia not being as strong with it may have not passed as much to him as she could have (not by genes necessarily, but teachings when he was younger) and Luke was the one to step in at a certain point and try and train him.
Last edited by Mike86; 08-27-19 at 05:20 PM.
#1457
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I just mean that one feat aside we never really saw anything that showed us that she was powerful with the Force. I guess when she hears Luke on Bespin, but those are the only times that she was shown to have used the Force. Not that she didn’t have it in her, but she never was able to fully harness it the way Luke did because she was never trained and never fully embraced it. I feel like the times she’s shown using it was more instinctual or like a fight or flight scenario where it kicked in to save her. She definitely has the potential which is probably what Yoda meant, but she still would have needed to be trained to fully grasp how to use it.
Going with that I think you could say that maybe is why Ben isn’t as strong with the Force as he potentially could be. He still has it in him, but really Leia isn’t as strong with it as Luke was. He still has it in him as well, but Leia not being as strong with it may have not passed as much to him as she could have (not by genes necessarily, but teachings when he was younger) and Luke was the one to step in at a certain point and try and train him.
Your stronger argument is the one you added to your edited post about seeds planted in TFA surrounding Rey and her heritage. I still don't find it a very convincing argument though, personally. TFA most definitely establishes mystery in who Rey is and where she came from, but the best mysteries most often have unexpected resolutions. I think it would be pretty disappointing if the mystery is solved by showing Rey has some Skywalker blood somehow as well. That would make this Star Wars universe seem even smaller than it already does. I certainly think it's a possibility and it could be done in a way that isn't disappointing, but I don't at all agree with the stance that she has to be in the Skywalker bloodline somehow for this trilogy to still be as consistently about the Skywalkers as the others have been. I would find it far more compelling if Rey as a character expands the Star Wars mythology rather than merely regurgitating it even more than this trilogy already has.
#1458
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Going off the movies, Luke wasn't nearly as powerful as Vader or Palpatine in the Force. Luke could call his lightsaber to his hand and do big jumps and flips. (Everyone who hates TLJ dismisses what Luke could do in that movie so I guess it can't be discussed here). Vader could choke someone across a huge distance and Palpatine could do everything Luke could do (we saw it in the prequels) AND shoot Force lightning.
So maybe this idea that parentage is important isn't really important except for the one time it was between Vader and Luke.
Rey represents a new generation of Jedi. She doesn't have to be related to Luke or a clone for that to make sense.
Who were Mace Windu's parents? Who were Kit Fisto's parents? Don't know? Right! Because it doesn't matter.
So maybe this idea that parentage is important isn't really important except for the one time it was between Vader and Luke.
Rey represents a new generation of Jedi. She doesn't have to be related to Luke or a clone for that to make sense.
Who were Mace Windu's parents? Who were Kit Fisto's parents? Don't know? Right! Because it doesn't matter.
#1459
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The difference being that the story wasn’t focusing on those characters and how they came to be Jedi. Anakin, Luke, and now Rey are all who we follow on the path of becoming a Jedi. There’s always going to be existing Force users, but there’s only so much story the films can tell.
#1460
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think the studios feed the theories with these type of trailers. The ending shot with Rey was purposely put in there to feed the fans speculation almost like a cliffhanger you would get at the end of a TV season. Now it's a smart marketing move because any 'chatter' about movie franchise among the fans is a good thing because it creates interest for fans who may be on the bubble and casual fans who haven't followed any news. But the downside is you get fans speculating about this and that for 4 months because they know the shot is coming somewhere in the movie, we just don't know what the context is? So I agree with that many fans speculate to the point where they want a specific theory to come true, but the studios can't have it both ways because they deliberately want those theories talked about leading up to the movie.
#1461
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The difference being that the story wasn’t focusing on those characters and how they came to be Jedi. Anakin, Luke, and now Rey are all who we follow on the path of becoming a Jedi. There’s always going to be existing Force users, but there’s only so much story the films can tell.
#1462
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Either way, finding out who her parents are at this Stage of the game is pointless.
#1463
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I was a big proponent of Rey being somebody after TFA, specifically Luke's daughter. But I have softened and I actually hope she stays Rey Nobody in Episode 9. The worst thing they can do is make her created by Palpatine, or some other crazy theories of how she came to be (I hate when the Franchise gets too Sci-Fyish as I enjoy the sense of adventure and when the characters/story is relatable). They should just stick with the 'nobody' angle for the ST as she, Poe and Finn can be a different type of heroes, compared to Luke/Leia in the OT, and The Jedi Knights in the PT. As for the Skywalker Saga, Kylo Ren is a Skywalker because his mom's is Leia and Grandfather is Darth Vader. It would be no different than devaluing Luke/Leia's Force Abilities cause their mom was a non Force User in Padme. The bottom line is Kylo Ren is getting redeemed (whether we like it or not) as Kelly Marie Tran sort of spilled the beans in an interview this weekend where she said the movies are always about redemption, and stressed redemption. The million dollar question is how do they redeem Ben Solo without it being a carbon copy of ROTJ and Vader's redemption?
#1464
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The difference being that the story wasn’t focusing on those characters and how they came to be Jedi. Anakin, Luke, and now Rey are all who we follow on the path of becoming a Jedi. There’s always going to be existing Force users, but there’s only so much story the films can tell.
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#1465
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
This is also (supposedly) the last in this particular series. Unless Rey’s parents are revealed to be already established characters, it doesn’t make much sense to dive into her parentage. Who gives a shit about finding out who her parents were if they end up being newly introduced characters in the last film of the saga? If they [i]are[/] revealed to be already established characters, that shit is going to come out of left field and leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Either way, finding out who her parents are at this Stage of the game is pointless.
#1466
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
If we know ANYTHING, we know Disney is not going to stop making SW movies.
They didn't hand George 4 billion bucks for his Star Wars franchise without SOME idea of what to do with it.
IF this film ends with her going to the Dark Side it wouldn't be a bigtime shock (there's always Ep.10 ).
This trilogy (IMO) is to "retire" Ford, Fisher, and Hamill.
The subtitle of Ep.9 is "The Rise of the Skywalkers."
That's an important thing to keep in mind...
#1467
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Apparently the "Dark Rey" we see is from a vision if you believe this redacted tweet
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/star...154500956.html
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/star...154500956.html
#1468
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Course it is Disney doesn't have the balls to turn her to the dark side and you ALL know it. Although I like the idea from a writing standpoint because it could explain how she is so powerful magically with the force. The dark side is easier, quicker, and Luke even says to her you went straight to the dark side or whatever during that training bit in Last Jedi. But yea it'll never happen.
I don't care who her parents are at this point UNLESS it relates to how stupid powerful she is for someone who didn't even know the force was real at one point ...ugh. The biggest problem the two movies thus far suffer is they aren't written as a trilogy they're just go make up your own crap on Last Jedi that undoes nearly everything before it. Maybe JJ can fix it , maybe he can't we'll see in Dec.
I don't care who her parents are at this point UNLESS it relates to how stupid powerful she is for someone who didn't even know the force was real at one point ...ugh. The biggest problem the two movies thus far suffer is they aren't written as a trilogy they're just go make up your own crap on Last Jedi that undoes nearly everything before it. Maybe JJ can fix it , maybe he can't we'll see in Dec.
#1469
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
From everything I've seen and the history of SW makes me believe she's a clone. Yep, a clone from Luke's hand. Stupid... but that's what I'm expecting at this point.
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#1471
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Now... years later, after all the bullshit, clones, prequels, sequels, animated series, Di$ney... yeah.... it does sound pretty stupid.
#1472
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Maybe JJ can fix it in Dec.
#1473
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Hey, remember how the Han Solo movie was set up for a direct sequel?
We're never getting that sequel, are we?
More damning; no one really cares that we aren't.
We're never getting that sequel, are we?
More damning; no one really cares that we aren't.
#1474
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think a Lando film that serves as a "sequel" to Solo wouldn't be the worst idea, but more than likely you are correct. I liked the Star Wars underworld stuff, though. Maybe The Mandalorian will give my my fix of that.
#1475
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