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Old 03-22-21, 05:03 PM
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Re: Zack Snyder’s Justice League (Snyder, 2021) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by maxfisher
The MCU feels like it does a much better job playing by the rules it makes up and sticking to how the real world works for the non-fantastical/non-McGuffin aspects of its stories. That said, I have no problem calling it out when it does stupid shit just because it looks or seems cool. Thanos pulling a moon down in Infinity War bugged the shit out of me as for the pieces to get to the planet so fast, they’d have to be traveling at a speed that would’ve completely disintegrated everything and everyone in the scene.
Thanos uses the space stone to "warp"/wormhole the moon pieces into the atmosphere, but yeah overall... all the stuff with the Infinity Gauntlet is... pretty stupid once you think about it for 5 seconds, yet it's never addressed by the heroes in the movie. My first go to as one of the many geniuses fighting Thanos would be, "So what about when a population re-gains its former size in 10-30 years? If you kill all life, then plants are gone and the food resource ratio remains the same. Couldn't you use the gauntlet to just double the resources? Or send out a universal warning? Or change people's minds to be eco-friendly?"
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Re: Zack Snyder’s Justice League (Snyder, 2021) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by dex14
What a load of shit.
Yup it’s a Grace Randolph rumor.
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Re: Zack Snyder’s Justice League (Snyder, 2021) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

If you like your edgelords (heroes) baked with with an extra 2hr helping of emo, then this is definitely the movie made for you. If looking at the 4hr Snyder fest gives you indigestion or and upset stomach, please avoid at all costs.
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My personal thought (as well as many others online and my friends/family) is that pretty much every MCU movie has a coherent storyline. Not all are great, but if my parents can understand them, then the writers did the job. The second biggest callout is that the MCU isn’t bleak as hell like most DCU ones. If anything, the MCU showed their storylines can be simple, complex, and appeal to old and young alike without insulting neither.
But is than actually a good thing? Not taking any risk, just using the same formula over an over again. Don't get me wrong I like me some vanilla, but the DCEU tries different flavors, you might get salted-caramel or smurf-barf-bubblegum ice cream, but at least they are trying different recepies.
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Originally Posted by Draven
remember when Cyborg visualized the world's financial system as a CGI bear fighting a CGI bull? Good times.
Yeah, that was silly.
Old 03-22-21, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DJariya
Yup it’s a Grace Randolph rumor.

She's great at starting rumors and then doing the whole backpedal and "it's all about interpretation" argument when proven wrong. She's also notorious for being kind to her fans until someone disagrees with her after which she blocks them. I read today that WB has no real interest in continuing the Snyderverse, and in all honesty, I think that's for the best. MOS, BvS, and his cut of Justice League form a pretty cohesive trilogy and the final part does a good job of being a love letter to DC fans and establishing a working universe.
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But is than actually a good thing? Not taking any risk, just using the same formula over an over again. Don't get me wrong I like me some vanilla, but the DCEU tries different flavors, you might get salted-caramel or smurf-barf-bubblegum ice cream, but at least they are trying different recepies.
Maybe, but they keep using the same failed ones and keep running with them. Although Shazam! was a different one that worked. Drawback was that it’s the closest one to an MCU movie. I think the “vanilla” concept the MCU keeps using to great success isn’t actually that in that it has its share of grim and darkness as well. They just balance it really well.
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And my whole thing is if WBwasn't so quick on the draw and supposedly under the gun to release shit, had taken their time with the properties like Marvel did, we'd have an awesome universe that would have led to a more organic JL (2 and 3). WB wanted that shit 3 films in. While MCU had how many films under their belt by the time Avenger assembled? We needed Man of Steel 2, Batfleck solo movie, WW, Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg, etc., before JL. It took 10 years to get to Endgame. That's my biggest gripe.
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I totally agree WB heads are mostly responsible for not giving the DCU any chance. Feige has pretty much carte blanche since the beginning of the MCU. Don’t mess with what’s working. WB thought they were that good. In reality, they are the complete opposite of that.
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DCEU had/has no Kevin Feige to lead the way. Geoff Johns was supposed to be the one and he was about as useless as tits on a bull.
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WB and DC going forward

Variety: WarnerMedia’s Ann Sarnoff on ‘Zack Snyder’s Justice League’ and DC’s Future.https://variety.com/2021/film/news/z...ia-1234935580/
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WB and DC going forward

Variety: WarnerMedia’s Ann Sarnoff on ‘Zack Snyder’s Justice League’ and DC’s Future.https://variety.com/2021/film/news/z...ia-1234935580/

I read that and it does not sound optimistic to me at all. Lots of coded language.
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Originally Posted by ytrez
I watched all 4 hour and....hated it.

Things I hated:
  • How willing the superheroes were to kill their enemies
  • Overuse of slo-mo
  • Superman, who represents truth, justice and hope and chooses darkness - literally, he picks a black costume for his comeback
  • Superman, the paragon of a hero, maims his enemy in a fight by lasering off his horn
  • Wonder Woman, decapitates a defeated enemy because, why not?
  • Batman - "and make no mistake, I will fucking kill you."
  • Also, Batman, whose parents were gunned down, to whom guns are anathema, picks up a gun and blasts hundreds of parademons out of existence
  • The aspect ratio
  • The dialogue - Cyborg: "It's nature is to fly" (no shit, it's a plane) - Batman: "Just like you." Ugh.
  • The length.
  • The general "darkness" of the film. In every possible way.
I could keep going but the single biggest thing for me is that these onscreen representations simply are not the characters that 80+ years of DC Comics history have given us. These are Snyder's perversions of those characters.
From the above: I thought horns were like nails, dead tissue?
The killing of the aliens did not bother me, I would have been bothered had they not engaged in the killing

I liked the movie, and here are my hates:
- Superman losing his mind over a chick. If he had to lose his mind and become evil, it should be over his mom, not a hoe.
- Hand to hand combat. They have devices that can change worlds. But the baddies still need to fight with fists and arrows?
- Similarly later in the movie, and this is going to be a problem going forward in all superhero movies: the need to be present physically to fight. How about some drones? Batman pummeling is obsolete. Bruce Wayne has 6 satellites, a massive flying plane. He cannot built 1000 drones?

I liked the dark tone. No Marvel rainbows please.
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I read that and it does not sound optimistic to me at all. Lots of coded language.

Sounds to me like she was really saying: "We had no interest whatsoever in letting Snyder realize his vision, but since we had a pandemic and needed material for this streaming service, we let him do it. Now that it's over and served its purpose for us, we hope he and the fans fuck off and let us reboot this the way we want."
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Steppenwolf was right there. As far as Flash getting hurt, he has regenerative healing abilities.
Oh right, about the Steppenwolf thing

Flash: still, broken bones, knocked out teeth, and stuff.
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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Thor beheading Thanos in Endgame?

The individual you are addressing has obviously never read any of "The New 52" series of DC comics. The Snyderverse is very close to them in style.
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- Similarly later in the movie, and this is going to be a problem going forward in all superhero movies: the need to be present physically to fight. How about some drones? Batman pummeling is obsolete. Bruce Wayne has 6 satellites, a massive flying plane. He cannot built 1000 drones?
Sounds like some pretty exciting movies on the horizon, the superhero gang watching drones on monitors while sitting on their asses in the Hall of Justice. No need for costumes at that point either. They can all just come to work in their sweat pants.
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
I didn't get into the minutiae of it. With that being said, why do folks dissect the minutiae in the DCEU but conveniently skip it on the MCU stuff? I don't ask that to single you out, but as a general question, since your post reminded me of that.
There are definitely some cringe moments in Marvel films. Sometimes the humor can get a little cutesy for my taste, but the overall product tends to be more enjoyable to me, which makes me more forgiving of some of the awkward moments. The Snyder films often bore me even though he throws so much shit on the screen. When you're boring me, filling the screen with a lot of busy digital effects AND often doing those things in slow motion, it gives me a lot of time to think about things that are bothering me in the movie.

Some people complain about how dark the DC films are. I don't mind that. What I mind is how artificial they usually feel. They all seem to revert to this video game cut scene feel to them, and Snyder is the worst offender at that. I'm aware Marvel uses plenty of digital, but the worlds feel much more lived in to me. It makes it easier to buy into other stuff or be more forgiving.

Bottom line: if you keep people entertained, they aren't as likely to worry about the little things.
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Sounds like some pretty exciting movies on the horizon, the superhero gang watching drones on monitors while sitting on their asses in the Hall of Justice. No need for costumes at that point either. They can all just come to work in their sweat pants.
Pretty much.
It's happening in military warfare in the real world.
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That also struck me as kind of an idealized version of how finances work. I realize banks are huge and have a lot of money and maybe that amount flies under the radar (like they suspected in Office Space) but that money had to come from somewhere, no?
It didn't come from nowhere. Cyborg rigged it so she won the "Gotham Bank Jackpot" prize. This was specifically shown in the film with a big CONGRATULATIONS! message. Hell, someone had to win it.
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Originally Posted by stingermck
WB and DC going forward

Variety: WarnerMedia’s Ann Sarnoff on ‘Zack Snyder’s Justice League’ and DC’s Future.https://variety.com/2021/film/news/z...ia-1234935580/
So, Fisher is not under an NDA. Why does he continue to be so cryptic?

Originally Posted by wearetheborg
From the above: I thought horns were like nails, dead tissue?
The killing of the aliens did not bother me, I would have been bothered had they not engaged in the killing

I liked the movie, and here are my hates:
- Superman losing his mind over a chick. If he had to lose his mind and become evil, it should be over his mom, not a hoe.
- Hand to hand combat. They have devices that can change worlds. But the baddies still need to fight with fists and arrows?
Let's not have another big Martha moment in a Snyder DC film. And don't knock arrows. In the beginning of the movie, that's all you needed to take down a big space ship.

Originally Posted by wearetheborg
Oh right, about the Steppenwolf thing

Flash: still, broken bones, knocked out teeth, and stuff.
It also bothered me when Flash was shot. It looked like a minor flesh wound, but he needed to be carried away and couldn't walk on his own.
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Ok, the amazons had arrows but were killing para demons who are organic. Then the Goddess Artemis shoots down a ship, but she doesn't just have regular arrows. She's a God. She has powers and so does her bow and arrows. It's clearly depicted.
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Ok, the amazons had arrows but were killing para demons who are organic. Then the Goddess Artemis shoots down a ship, but she doesn't just have regular arrows. She's a God. She has powers and so does her bow and arrows. It's clearly depicted.
I'm aware. I still thought it looked silly and made me wonder why they weren't just shooting all those ships down from the start. Probably would have saved some ground effort.
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I'm aware. I still thought it looked silly and made me wonder why they weren't just shooting all those ships down from the start. Probably would have saved some ground effort.

Because they got flooded with with bad guys. Shit, why was that Green lantern so weak? He got taken out by Uxas who wasn't even Darkseid so easily. Now you see how it took Ares, a God, to bring someone like Uxas down. Damn it, more minutiae.
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Because they got flooded with with bad guys. Shit, why was that Green lantern so weak? He got taken out by Uxas who wasn't even Darkseid so easily. Now you see how it took Ares, a God, to bring someone like Uxas down. Damn it, more minutiae.
"Hey, Artemis, why don't you grab your magical quiver and shoot down those ships before we get overwhelmed by the forces coming from them."

That was my whole point. If they had the ability to take down those ships so easily, there was no reason for them to get flooded with bad guys. Dedicate magical arrows to ships and the rest of your forces to enemies on the ground.


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