fujishig

Isn't that basically someone's retirement? The other thing that struck me in that scene was that man there are a lot of security cameras for that one doorway.

I said it in the other thread but I can understand why this and the Flash background scenes were cut if the mandate was to cut this down to 2 hours. Would've made for a great cyborg movie, though, him dealing with his new body, his own sense of justice and now having the ability to basically manipulate the wealth system for anyone he chooses.

Draven

Maybe - but FatWS continues for weeks. I'm fairly certain people won't be talking about Justice League anymore after next weekend at best. I think everyone who wanted to watch it watched it.

Also Disney+ has about twice as many subscribers as HBO Max.

Again, only certain people would do that. And they already did it.

Giantrobo

GIZMO? That you?

What I'm seeing online is that people who normally don't give a shit about comic book movies and those who normally hate DCEU films are being pulled in by enthusiastic reviews from people they trust. I think more will see it than you think.

Draven

Everyone I know who has a passing interest in this at all watched this weekend. Everyone else balks at the 4-hour commitment (which I honestly thought would be no big deal but I audibly sighed with relief when "Part 6" came up because I knew we were getting close to the end). Again, it's all anecdotal but this was "opening weekend" and any buzz will probably plummet going forward. There's not even a time limit on when you can watch it.

Runaway

I never understood why some fans would argue "xy would never do that..." You speak of 80 years of history and in this history everything has been tried. Don't tell me Batman is one thing and one thing only. Batman was a million things in 80 years of history and even if Zack Snyder was the first one to show a Batman in this style, which he wasn't, why would that be a problem? He wouldn't have been the first to try something new with Batman or any other superhero for that matter.

They are fighting in war to safe humanity and you want Batman to be MacGyver?

Giantrobo

Fair enough. And don't necessarily disagree about the runtime being an thing for many. But I also see people saying they are simply breaking up the viewing. Hell, I broke up the viewing myself.

IBJoel

Runaway

https://www.cbr.com/every-comic-book...ills-in-order/

fujishig

The fact that there's an article about the times that Batman kills someone considering how long he's been published does kind of prove the point that it happens very rarely, often in a different continuity, and is usually a big deal. I mean look at the Injustice games for a kind of over the top look at that. Same goes for Superman.

I get reinterpreting characters, and I don't necessarily have a problem with him going after parademons or Steppenwolf. But I look at something like "Bruce Wayne and Lois are having a baby" and I balk. Even though these are fictional characters written by hundreds of creators with a lot of inconsistencies between them, there are always going to be some core values that people associate with the character. It's kind of like if you had Batman who could fly and shoot lasers out of his rump, yeah, you could do it (and maybe it's been done) but why?

IBJoel

It's telling that the majority of those kills are in the 1930s and 40s. Because yeah, Batman straight up murdered dudes back then, as did Superman, because values were different. I actually really like the use of the Radion bullet against Darkseid in Final Crisis (he didn't actually kill Darkseid, Superman lands the fatal blow/note), specifically because it's to show how desperate the situation is. I also in general don't have a problem with Batman killing aliens or monsters, but no member of the Justice League should "punch down". I have zero problem with Batman sniping Parademons, Superman killing Zod (especially under the circumstances), or Wonder Woman beheading Steppenwolf. I do have an issue with them killing humans, especially when they don't have to. To Snyder's credit, I do not believe Batman kills any people in Justice League.

The KGBeast stuff in that CBR article, though? Those writers should be banned from writing Batman any longer.

People can say I live in a fantasy world. So do these characters. The major DC characters are supposed to be examples of the best of humanity's ideals. They aren't just characters, but embodiments of our modern beliefs, principles, and rights. They figure out the third option and find a way.

Runaway

Of course they should be some key attributes, I don't argue with that, but it's not like Snyder turned Batman into the Punisher and now the stakes are pretty high. It's not just the Joker starting mayhem in Gotham, it's the end of the world. In BvS he was wrong about Superman's motives and his behavior wasn't normal. Alfred more than one time said, that Bruce is losing his way, so what people criticize about the movie, is actually thematized in the movie.
But I don't think threatening the Joker after the world is in ashes and they have one last attempt to kill Darkseid is so much out of character. I mean, he didn't actually kill him and some treat Snyder's Batman like the Punisher.

PhantomStranger

The Snyder Cut is now the second-highest rated superhero movie on IMDB of all time after The Dark Knight.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12361974/

Draven

Yikes

PhantomStranger

Early word is that HBO Max is super happy about new subscriber sign-ups and the studio wants Snyder to direct Wonder Woman 3 if he wants. I think animated projects for Snyder's Justice League 2 and 3 are very possible.

stingermck

Oh now they want to be team Snyder

As often stated, the mistake was trying to make DC like Marvel. Hell, DC comics are not like Marvel, so why should the films be? Let Falcon get rejected at the bank for a loan, while Flash has high tech equipment with no job It's fine.

Draven

HAHAHHAHAHA....can you imagine?? What a shitshow that would be. His lack of understanding of these characters should not be encouraged.

DJariya

I highly doubt that. Gal and Patty Jenkins are really good friends and are practically sisters. I don't think she would play the character again in another solo film without her. Also, it's not going to happen for at least 2-3 years as Gal is having another baby and Jenkins has other commitments.

Why So Blu?

I didn't get into the minutiae of it. With that being said, why do folks dissect the minutiae in the DCEU but conveniently skip it on the MCU stuff? I don't ask that to single you out, but as a general question, since your post reminded me of that.

Why So Blu?

Really? I just saw WB has officially said that there will be no Snyderverse and that the David Ayer cut will not be restored. They thanked ZS for his trilogy.

dex14

If you only have $100k for retirement, you have a problem.

E Unit

My personal thought (as well as many others online and my friends/family) is that pretty much every MCU movie has a coherent storyline. Not all are great, but if my parents can understand them, then the writers did the job. The second biggest callout is that the MCU isn’t bleak as hell like most DCU ones. If anything, the MCU showed their storylines can be simple, complex, and appeal to old and young alike without insulting neither.

Draven

It’s from some YouTube commentator. It’s not happening.

dex14

What a load of shit.

maxfisher

The MCU feels like it does a much better job playing by the rules it makes up and sticking to how the real world works for the non-fantastical/non-McGuffin aspects of its stories. That said, I have no problem calling it out when it does stupid shit just because it looks or seems cool. Thanos pulling a moon down in Infinity War bugged the shit out of me as for the pieces to get to the planet so fast, they’d have to be traveling at a speed that would’ve completely disintegrated everything and everyone in the scene.

stvn1974

Watched it yesterday and here is my review: