SomeVoices

Eko is now my second favorite character on this show, right behind Locke.

AlainDelon

Are there any theories about all the Dharma logos on the horse,shark,various clothing etc.?

Aphex Twin

According to tvtome:

"Kate's real father was a Sergeant in the army (Sgt. Sam Austen)."

"This episode reveals what crime Kate comitted. She murdered her step-father by blowing up the house while he was asleep."

What I didn't get was...why did the army dad tell her that he didn't tell her that Wayne was her father because he didn't want her to kill him?

dolphinboy

I'm way too tired to talk about the excellent episode right now, but I'm not sure that I agree with you about Kate and Sawyer.

Up until this episode, it sure seemed like those 2 were into one another, but with all the baggage about Kate's real father being very much like Sawyer and Kate's whole speech about hating herself for liking Sawyer because he reminds her of his dad, it would seem kind of strange for her to now go ahead and pursue Sawyer anyway. Even if Sawyer softens up, it would seem like he would still be like every bad guy relationship she's ever been in, which probably all goes back to having the abusive, dad.

I certainly agreed up until this ep that Kate was self-destructive and so was Sawyer, both rough around the edges and both the kind of people who don't make anything easy for themselves, so it seemed like Jack was sh*t out of luck. But with the kiss and with her rant, I think it's now back too close to call again in the Kate sweepstakes.

sven

Wow what a shitty backstory for Kate. I was hoping she blew up a busload of school children or something instead she killed her daddy. WOWEE. I hope she dies next. I now hater her more than AL.

The rest of the show was great though.

Mister Ecko for leader of the world!

jarofclay73

Maybe we need to go back to the first season and see if there's a Dharma logo on the boar, Jack's father and the polar bear.

The only thing that bothered me about this episode was Marvin Kando's spliced film. The look of Marvin in the splice didn't match the rest of the film. I'm not sure if that's intentional or just a failure to match up his look.

But, otherwise it was a good episode. A lot of great moments but it was a lot of different people doing different things unrelated to each other and it seems to be all over the place. I guess if you tell a little bit of everyone's stories you'll make everyone happy.

I liked Ana Lucia in this episode a lot more. She seems to be disarmed when she's with Jack.

A-aron

Patsy Cline died in a plane crash. Hmmmmmmm

Also, in the reconstructed training film, did the scientist say "the OTHERS may try to use the computer for communication with the outside world"?

Finally, when Locke tried to type anything on the computer it did not work - he says it only allows something to be entered during the final 4 minutes - but Michael is able to type . Is this because someone "pinged" him first?

Shannon Nutt

Gee, I guess I was the only one underwhelmed by this episode. Didn't care for Kate's backstory. Given her personality in Season One, I think we all thought she did something truly EVIL. I'm like the previous poster - I thought maybe she had killed a child or something along those lines...

The ending with the computer was LAME, and seems borrowed from something else (no, NOT WarGames!), although I can't put my finger on it.

William Wallace

can we download the preview for the next episode anywhere??

dhmac

...So wouldn't the final 4 minutes of LOST be in the first 4 minutes of Invasion on your TiVo, then? Or am I not understanding what your TiVo actually did?


(BTW, thank the gods I have a ReplayTV - it knew the episode was 4 minutes longer, and padded it accordingly. I don't record Invasion, so would've been screwed otherwise.)

Joeboo835

There has to be more to Kate's backstory. In her first one, she was like a ninja and could shoot a gun with ease. You can't tell me that she was just like that. Something must have gone down between killing her dad and getting turned in by the farmer.

Also, they dont' tell us how she hooked up with the guys she robbed the bank with.

DVD Josh

1) The scientists' name is Dr. Marvin Candle

2) No, he didn't say anything about Others, as that would make no sense at that point in time

3) It was NOT the main computer that Michael talked to Walt on.

DVD Josh

I think most of all disagree with you Shannon. The ending was phenomenal (wish I didn't know it before hand). Now Michael will be solely obsessed with finding his son and that will probably be a source of contention for the rest of the losties.

lordzeppelin

I disagree. There's no other computer at the location in the room where he was. It's the Computer that they are not supposed to use for anything but entering the code.

DVD Josh

They've been talking about it in the other forums (that are way more obsessed than we are). I am definitely leaning towards your POV, but that computer looked different to me. I'm sure we'll all find out for sure in the years to come.

maxfisher

While most of the episode was great, I can't believe we're 5 pages into this thread and only two people have complained about Kate's motivation for murder. Everyone I was watching with thought that it was fucking terrible. I know it would have been somewhat of a cliche to have her have been molested by her father, but at least it would've been believable. I thought the whole 'you're trash and you beat my mom but that's not why I killed you. It's because you're my dad and that makes me trash!' angle was absurd. Even more ludicrous was her stepfather saying he knew she'd kill Wayne if she knew he was her father. How in the hell would he know that? There was a lot to like in this episode, but it felt like the writers let one of their 15 year old nieces write the scenes about why Kate killed her dad.

DVD Josh

I very much agree. But I've never really thought Kate was central to the story. To me, the only truly important characters are Locke, Jack, Claire and Aaron, Michael and Walt and now Eko. The rest are background characters who ultimately are not important to the resolution of the story.

But there probably is something to the kate / sawyer / wayne connection, it's very Luke / Leia.

enderwiggin

Suprised no one mentioned the goof made in filming. Only visible if you were watching HD though.

It's when Kate and Sawyer make their way out the hatch and see the horse. When Kate gets up and turns around, you see the horse standing, and over to the left of the horse (our right) you see a gloved hand slipping off camera..Im guessing it was the trainer's hand trying to steady and calm the horse.

My wife saw it immediatly and thought someone had a gun to the horses head!


Heres the link to the screenshot:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...um=829&pos=927

Click on the pic to view full size and look to the right of the horses head right at the edge of the picture.

DVD Josh

I don't see a thing.

enderwiggin

find the level of the horses eye, the follow an imaginary line to the right, at the edge of the picture you'll see a black gloved hand and some pink flesh showing below it.

Chew

I had to really look, it blends well into the background. If we're having a hard time seeing it in a still shot, I'm not surprised how I missed it during the show (which I was watching in HD).

treszoks

Where's the dharma logo on the horse?

enderwiggin

I think it was it's movement that caught my eye, because the background and the horse were pretty still but the hand was moving off of camera which drew my eye to it.

Suprised I saw this but missed Sayid on the TV. DOH!

Ayre

I think it is ridiculous that they have to justify Kates murdering at all. Make her a criminal. What they did was far better than the molested cliche. They integrated it with Sawyer. In the end, most could guess she wasn't going to be a hardened criminal.

Haven't you noticed, that unlike males, there usually has to be a reason for a woman to commit a crime on TV. They pull the switch-a-roo (technical term) to make her the victim. Pretty pathetic when you examine how wide spread it is.

maxfisher

Sawyer killed because he thought it was the man that conned his parents, ultimately causing his father to kill his mother and himself. Sayid convinced an old friend to be a suicide bomber because he wanted to find out where the woman he loved was.

Except in the rare instances of complete psychopaths, I think there is nearly always a discernible reason for why someone commits a crime. The reason doesn't necessarily justify what they did, but explains why they did it. On Lost, as on most television, if someone we're supposed to like committed a crime, they're going to show the reason, whether it's a male or female member.

I never said they needed to justify Kate's murdering someone, especially from any kind of moral standpoint. Just give us a believable reason as to why she did it, i.e. her motive. 'That trash is my daddy!' was a stupid and unbelievable motive. Hell, it would've made more sense for her to have said it was because he beat up her mother. As they played it, her motivation was just groan and eye-roll inducing, compounded even more by the fact her stepdad knew she'd kill her father for being trash if she knew who he was. Dumb, dumb, dumb.