dolphinboy

If D makes the final 2, he should win every vote. The emphasis on should, because he deserves them and, of course, bitterness or stupidty from the jury could trump everything.

Dan is no Dr. Will, but there will never be another Dr. Will. But Boogie? He doesn't win his season w/o Will. I didn't seem him as a real gamer w/o his charming and much more intelligent partner.

I hated ED, but he was also a real gamer. He did it the very worst way that it could be done, but he was always working the game. Dan is in that league, but I think he doesn't get enough credit, maybe rightly so, because it didn't seem like anyone else was very good this year. Memphis isn't even close to Dan, whether you prefer one's personality over the other.

Keesha was one of the nicer houseguests and totally played against stereotype. I would bet when they cast her, she was the one they hoped paraded around in her bikini all the time, got drunk, and had a showmance. Still, I cringed a bit when she answered to Julie that Memphis voted her out because he was afraid Dan would take Keesha to the final 2.

I know he nominated him twice, but it should at the very least on your radar that Dan duped you and is laying the blame on Memphis if you're a really good BB player. Even if you somehow didn't see the M/D alliance, I don't know how you don't suspect that you're gonna be voted out simply because the boys see Jerry as someone more beatable in the final 3-part HOH.

Seemed really stupid Memphis to not just be straight with Keesha and then someone watch Dan give her love for 2 days. What in the world was he thinking just giving away a vote like that?

Now, it would be good if they could get a cast somewhere between these mostly lame and boring houseguests and the disgusting group they had last season.

TwineTime

The problem with all of these Dr. Will comparisons is that Dan is missing the main ingredients that made Kirby memorable. Charisma and personality. Looking at the camera at least once per episode just doesn't compare to making love to it.

I find this to be without a doubt the most boring final 3 in the history of this show (discounting Season 1). I really don't care who wins. Obviously, Dan deserves to win, but I find him and his Renegade alliance so obnoxious that I find myself rooting for Jerry to win HOH. The problem with that scenario is that it creates the possibility of a Jerry/Memphis final, in which Memphis would most likely win. The only thing worse than a Dan or Jerry win is a Memphis win. Not sure if anyone feels the same, but something about that guy just really rubs me the wrong way. There just doesn't seem to be anything there.

Anyway, obviously I was rooting for Keesha and Renny, but they both made it hard for me. At least Renny realized Memphis needed to go weeks ago, but her mistake was being aligned with a girl who was more concerned about being loved by the men around her than winning the game.

SpaceBoy

I agree, I've been bored to death all season this year. My wife and i both agreed we could careless who wins about 2 weeks into the season. Nobody is particular likable.

The problem I have with the Dan and Will comparisons is that Dan in my opinion is trying to be Will, where Will was the originator and that's just how he was. Dan comes off to me as putting on some act to try to be that person Will was naturally. Also, dan just seems like a big dork to me, trying to play some cool guy - just not believable at all.

I don't think there has been a dumber cast.

I mean Memphis is an idiot to not try to take Jerry to the final 2 after he let Dan play nice with Keesha.

Also, what were Jerry/Keesha/Memphis thinking with the reward challenge. I honestly have a hard time any of it's real anymore after the tampering with the America's Choice last year, and the performance by others outside of Dan. I almost feel like dan is the darling of the producers, and who they go out of their way to showcase and hopefully win.

Just seems uneventful.

I hope somehow it's memphis and Jerry in the final 2, although I'm not a fan of either, just so there is some unknown finally in that house.

I have a question, that I've been curious about. Are the house guests not allowed to say certain things in the going away tapes? It must be, I just can't figure out if not why wouldn't Memphis say, look me and Dan have had a secret alliance the whole time and we agreed we had to get you out, dont' believe the BS.

TwineTime

Well, if Dan really is the producer's pet, it stands to reason they wouldn't choose to show that part of his goodbye even if Memphis did say that.

I actually think Libra, as much as people around here and in the house hated her, was the force behind most of the entertainment during the first half of this season. Her presence electrified the house. Once she left, things just got boring and never really picked up.

Flave

Sorry to see Keesha go but I understand the guys' thinking -- it's good game play.

If/when Dan wins, who else thinks he might give some of his money to Keesha or Renny or even Memphis? As a good Catholic boy, I'm sure he'll want to do his penance.

clckworang

I totally agree about Dan. Everything just seems like an act with him: the cool guy, the inspirational coach, the serious BB player. And I think I said it at the very beginning, but there's something I just find a bit sleazy about the guy. It's like I would expect him to sell me a lemon used car.

mrpayroll

By far this has been the most boring season of Big Brother After Dark. The first year had Evil Dick & Danielle, the 2nd year had the sexcapades of a lot of the houseguests. This year has had most of them sitting around in the bedroom talking about nothing interesting.

Chris

saoirse

I am happy with the way things are going and hope Dan wins. He seems like a stand-up guy and has a heart. Though this may not have been the most exciting, I'm glad is wasn't full of sluts (like last season) or paint-dry boring (like the first season). I've found some funny moments in the after-dark stuff, but I think I'm fast-forwarding all the boring bits. I do think the season would have been a lot different (and better) had Brian not been voted out so early. I think he and Dan could have been quite a funny duo.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr.

Pretty sure that's against the rules, as it is in nearly every reality show like this.

matta

The problem with Dan getting votes is that he did really strange things in the house, and although he later explained them to America in the DR, I don't think he explained them to the non-alliance HG. So, Ollie is going think that Dan is an idiot who back stabbed him and got lucky, when in fact, Dan was a guy in a secret alliance who had to do what he did to protect his alliance.

The thing about Will was that he manipulated people, but he openly manipulated people and everyone knew what he was doing. Dan is doing everything on the D/L, which is what anyone but Will would have to do, but it leads others to believe he's lucky, when in fact, he's manipulating a lot of the game.

Eitherway, there's no way Dan gets Ollie or April's votes (Ollie hates him) and by extension Libra's vote. He probably gets Keesha and Renny's votes.

So the only way for Dan to win is for the next person to be evicted to be either Jerry by Memphis (which is still 50/50) or Memphis by Jerry (then he's in good shape). Then for Michelle to go with Dan.

Bluelitespecial

It was really sad to see Keehsa go, but I hate to say it Dan has this game already won. Unless something drastic changes. I guess I have no problem with it, he really has played the game the best, He just reminds me of Eric from last summer, and I hate to think how many people will be cast in future seasons that will copy his game play of throwing competitions and pretending to be the weak player.

mwbmis

Dan will have to explain himself well in Q & A, but I think he still has a shot for Ollie and April's vote in the jury phase. They don't like Memphis either. I guess it depends on how much they've calmed down. And Libra liked Dan quite a bit. They had several long talks about life, and he was one of the few in the house that didn't isolate her in her last week.

In season 2, Will told everyone he was a liar, but that they could trust him. Honestly, one of the big reasons he won that game was b/c the jury got to see his diary room sessions. It made him funnier. No question that the HGs falling for the same routine in season 7 was gold.

After Brian fell in week one Dan had no choice but to throw competitions. He already had a HUGE target on his back. The only way to make it smaller was to appear to suck at the game. Clearly Dan was a much bigger threat than Steven, but Steven almost won the second HOH.

matta

That's not a new plan. Many people have thrown competitions in the past - particularly the first few.

matta

Ollie was PISSED, though. It'd be like Michelle voting for Libra after that vacation thing - I just don't see it happening. But if you guys watched AD, I guess you know more than I do.

mwbmis

Yeah, but he and Memphis went at it too, and April really didn't like Memphis. I guess it all depends on how Ollie decides to vote. I think he would vote for Jerry, but I could see a rational person saying that while Dan played me he played a better game overall.

DWilson

Its generally thought, -even by the producers, -that Season Nine winner Adam threw several competitions, including the final HOH. He only copped to the one that was discussed on camera with Ryan.

matta

Yeah, I don't see why you wouldn't throw competitions when it made sense.

If you're going to go with the mindset that you're going to win competitions, you need to be like Ozzie on Survivor (hi Ozzie ) and just continually win and get immunity.

Groucho

I saw an interview with Dick and he confirmed this (he wanted to share the money with Danielle, but had to "settle" for buying her a car instead).

But how do they enforce something like that? After they cut you the check, can't you distribute the money however you'd like? For instance, my employer can't stop me from sending matta his regular $500 payment for "services rendered".

Patman

I just threw up a little.

mrpayroll

Of course Ozzie never won Survivor because of all the backstabbing going on!

Chris

mwbmis

Good to see Dan and Memphis in the final. They earned it, especially Dan.

I'm not a fan, but I think Keesha deserves the Jury prize. Renny didn't really play the game, and TV edit aside Jerry could be a real bastard (I hope his tears tonight didn't win it for him.) I don't think anyone else has a shot at it. I just hope Keesha and Renny don't split the vote.

matta

Yeah, that sucked. He won virtually every competition to make it to the final 2, then everyone voted against him because he only got to the final 2 by winning competitions, while Yul got there by manipulated people.

I felt bad for him.

matta

Does that have to go to a jury member? From what I hear from people, Dan might be America's favorite player. Of course, it's no fun when someone wins the competition and the "favorite player" award (e.g. Stephanie on Top Chef 4).

I watch too much reality TV

Josh-da-man

They didn't seem to have a problem with Rob and Ambuh splitting the prize in Survivor All-Stars.

They "coupled up" while the show was filming, and Rob even made the comment to cameras that, when the time the show was over, he was either going to be spending his million dollars, or Ambuh's.

Bluelitespecial

Keesha or Renny will probably get the $25,000 juror prize.