Jimmy James

A zoo on the island?

I think the polar bear part is still at least partly unanswered. They had two cages, and we assume one was for a polar bear. Why?

Draven

Fine, cages on the island with animals. I'm just saying that the answer wasn't "Walt has super powers"...it was "it escaped from a cage." And I'll be shocked if they ever answer "why" on the polar bear.

I'd say start with the simpler explanation for pretty much everything on the show.

cracksky

This place is all about theories. What don't you understand about that?

Draven

Because hardly any of them ever come even close to being accurate. Why waste the time speculating SO off base that it has no hope of coming true?

I'm fine with general "ooh that was interesting, I wonder what it means" but again I point out the "Penny is dead!" people. Was there a bigger waste of time then that discussion? It was exactly what they showed us. And for that matter, there are much bigger questions to waste time on. Such as, oh I don't know...the fact that no one has thought to get a straight answer from Richard on HOW HE IS IMMORTAL.

The show is complicated enough as it is. I don't know why people want it to be even harder to follow.

cracksky

It's no fun to come up with a theory for something if you already have a high percentage of it coming true. Where's the challenge?

BTW, you're speaking to the author of Penny is Dead so careful what you re-start here!

The Ankh that the creature is holding in both hands in the statue is the symbol of everlasting life and Richard said Jacob is responsible for the way he is.

I find that reading through these threads makes it easier for me to follow the show sometimes because there are often things I miss that are brought up here. I don't confuse fictional theories with the existing show.

calhoun07

I don't recall exactly where I read it, but Richard was on the manifest for the Black Rock ship. I think this was revealed in the Lost video game.

DJariya

Loved the finale. Very entertaining 2 hours.

I don't feel like sorting through 500+ posts, so I wanted to know what the generous consensus thought the "Other" Locke was?

2010 can't come soon enough.

Michael Corvin

I thought polar bears were used to turn the frozen donkey wheel? They showed that to move the island a giant wheel needs to be turned, that is frequently frozen tight. They showed that turning it involves the person leaving the island and ending up in the Tunisian desert. The showed the skeletal remains of a polar bear with a Dharma collar being discovered by Charlotte in a desert.

Short of Ben saying what exactly they are for, I thought this is one of the mysteries that has a definite answer.

What I don't get is why the FDW room was sealed off.

Gunde

Happens all the time in real life dude.

Draven

There you go Corvin...a "logical" answer on the why of the polar bears. Let's see how people make it more complicated.

Um...that is not an answer. There needs to be a follow-up question or two. If you were Ben or Locke and knew that Richard didn't age...wouldn't you ask him a LOT of questions about it? I'm tired of the cryptic "I've been here a long time" bullshit. How long, why and how is it possible are the next questions. And that's just one example of these arguably intelligent and "real world" people just accepting the weirdest shit in the world without a second thought.

It was ok at first when none of the castaways knew anything that was going on because they were all in the same situation. Now that all of these other characters that DO know what's going on have been introduced, it's time to start asking for straightforward answers.

Shannon Nutt

Actually, early on, they beat us over the head with "LOST is NOT a science fiction show." So we have to take anything they tell us with a grain of salt...it's painfully obvious that a lot of the stuff we've seen was not part of a master plan, but rather created as they went from one season to the next.

Personally, I think LOST "jumped" the proverbial shark a long, long time ago. The difference between this show and others that have done the same is that LOST has managed to remain entertaining despite the fact that much of its logic has gone off the deep end.

gerrythedon

They need to do 24 episodes for the last season, fuck this 16 episode crap.

calhoun07

The consensus is "other locke" is the smoke monster appearing as him, since he's still dead. A clue was when Alex visited Ben...Locke was gone for about the same amount of time Alex appeared. Smokie apparently can only transform into one dead person at a time.

Which leads to a question I've pondered for a long time now: how did Walt appear to Locke? I can't recall...did we ever see Smokie appear as a person alive before?

calhoun07

Dude, you nailed it. I never saw the connection before. I don't think they need an episode explaining this...it's fairly evident.

calhoun07

Not to mention we are talking about three years here. Juliet could realistically be over with Jack after three years. It's not that unusual.

s}{ammer

You accept this part and yet you say Jacob's brother. Jacob was not God and couldn't grant eternal life to richard. Jacob is a god himself, as is his enemy. Why do so many people keep overlooking the glaring differences in the biblical Jacob story?

Disneyboy

I believe the producers said that when Shannon saw Walt in Season 2, that it was the smoke monster. And if Locke is the smoke monster, it would explain why it didnt come when Ben summoned it, it was already there.

cracksky

TV is full of characters that don't ask the questions that the viewer wants you to ask. It's called drama. If all the questions were asked and answered then the show would have been over in a handful of episodes in the first season. Obviously, it's working because we all are still watching the show. If it got too ridiculous we would've bailed and the show would be gone.

Draven

I'd argue that LOST is the worst of the bunch. On pretty much every other genre show, somebody asks questions when presented with things that make no sense. On LOST, nobody does.

Again, it was fine when there was no one to ask...the 815 survivors were as "lost" as the rest of us. But now that they have encountered an entire cast of characters that DO know what is going on...the fact that none of 815 seem even remotely curious is just flat out dumb. And I'd say the same thing about any other show that does it.

Even a show as stupid as Smallville (which I've also watched since episode 1) explains the super powers with the whole "meteor rock" thing. Yes, it's ridiculous but it's consistent within that universe. I hold LOST to a higher standard because it's supposed to take place in the real world with real people, yet they are more accepting of superpowers, resurrection and immortality than the characters from Smallville. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd?

Michael Corvin

Actually this is one of the things team Darlton seem to held steadfast on. They have been very consistent in saying that the Smoke monster is not nano-tech and cannot take the shape of people.

Granted they could be lying, but I'll take them at their word. That's another reason why this thread has been so entertaining. Everyone is taking the slightest sliver of info and jumping off the deep end with it. Everyone sees two Locke's and automatically jumps to the conclusion that Smokie is taking the shape of Locke, Christian, Alex, etc. I'm not buying.

Did Smokie take the shape of the doctor from the freighter? He was in two places at the same time. How about Kate? Sawyer saw her helping Claire give birth while she was actually off the island.

dsa_shea

Maybe the smoke monster isn't either of the two but rather the rule enforcer of the game. He lives under the "temple" which is very similar in style and decoration to where Jacob lives. It is possible that the other character lives elsewhere that we haven't seen just yet. We know that at least one of the two particpants, no name guy, can take the physical form of people that have been in contact with the island and maybe Jacob can as well but feels there is no need to be deceitful.

DthRdrX

Interesting statements. Richard just stated in the finale that he's the way he is because of Jacob. We really don't have to complicate it further than that.

DthRdrX

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not Michael? Anyway:

1.) The doctor's body washed up on the island before we saw him die, due to the time discrepancy coming and going from the island.

2.) Sawyer saw Kate and Claire giving birth in 2004, while he was time traveling.

DthRdrX

Yea, they stated that we saw the smoke monster is season 2, but didn't realize it at the time.

I've watched it twice now so I'm going to post my full thoughts on the episode later tonight or tommorow.

Draven

Sorry. Someone needs to ask a few more questions about that.