dsa_shea

The whole "trapped in the cabin" scenario might have even been created by black shirt to give more reason for Locke to help him. He might have made it look like he was being held against his will to suck Locke right in to his plan. I think that Jacob doesn't try to win by deceit but black shirt will do whatever he can to win the game.

calhoun07

Big lie? Did they indicate early on that they were going to explain everything on this show with real world science? I mean, I don't keep up on the podcasts nor have I listened to the director's commentaries or read all the interviews with the creators so I could have missed it.

OldDude

I think they only took the atomic bomb trigger which would be perhaps 5 kt. The H-bomb was huge and they couldn't move it. It was probably an early tritium bomb and tritium's half life is about 12 years. Probably not much use.

Modern bombs use a lithium deuteride fusion core which is bred to tritium (and the deuterium already present) by neutron absorbtion from the atomic core detonation, followed by tritium-deuterium fusion. Per FAS, modern weapons can be dialed down to around 5 kt (just the atomic core) or up one or more steps to full yield.

So it would have been "modest" (as nuclear weapons go).

DthRdrX

I think they stated that everything on the show could be explained in the realm of scientific theory. I can't find the exact qoute.

cracksky

Jacob has pretty much gone anywhere he's wanted to on the island or off. The only time he seemed to be trapped is when Locke heard him say, "help me," or perhaps when Hugo looked into the cabin and a face popped up. This has to be under the control of Christian (as I said many threads ago). Jacob finally was able to leave the cabin and went back to where he had originally lived at the foot of the statue (as per the note he left). The opening in the ash indicated that the one who lived there was leaving and not coming back.

I think Jacob will be resurrected into the body of John Locke. That is why he was chosen and saved after the fall.

Palaver

Wow. What a very condescending post. And calling people idiots is very much against the rules.

The fact is, the very first time we saw the smoke monster scan people's memories (way back in season 2) it become very obvious that this show was steeped more in fantasy than reality. I doubt there is a real world explanation for that.

dsa_shea

I don't think that any of this is the real Jacob. Back in season one I believe that the Christian started to appear to see if he could break down Jack but realized that he couldn't because he is a man of science and doesn't find reason to believe what he sees. Now he is using the appearances of Christian, Ben's daughter as well as an apparition of who people thought was really Jacob to turn things in his favor.

yourlocalcinema

Anyone else notice that the flashback with Juliet is extremely modern? Considering this stands alone as the only flashback not involving Jacob, any chance it might be there to tell us something else, like a hint at an alternate timeline or something? Just a thought.

cracksky

This is Jacob. The other man on the beach (perhaps his brother Esau) vowed to find a loophole and kill him. Many years later, after much hard work, he finally found a way through Ben and Locke and appearing as dead humans such as Christian and Alex. He couldn't kill him. That's against the rules. So, he got Locke to go back and get himself killed. Then, he convinced Ben to do whatever Locke said. This loophole allowed Locke to bring another person into Jacob's presence. In this case Locke being Esau and the other person being Ben doing whatever Locke said which is murder Jacob. Deed complete.

Since Ben and Widmore seem to have the same relationship as Esau and Jacob, maybe Ben will use this same loophole to kill Widmore. If only Ben could appear as dead people...

dsa_shea

How do we know at this point who was being portrayed by the real Jacob and who wasn't? Right now it is all guessing but if you use what has been given to you to make an educated guess then you would say that what we have seen with Jacob up until the finale hasn't really been him. Something tells me that the Christian that is walking around on the island is Jacob's nemesis in disguise as was the Jacob that Locke saw in the cabin. If I'm wrong then oh well but that's my theory as to what is going on and I'm sticking to it.

Edit: I know that the person we saw in the finale was the real Jacob but I think that it is the first time in the series run, unless it was something hidden, that we were introduced to the real Jacob.

JZ1276

The point of Juliet's flashback was to show her parents getting divorced and to show how she loses faith in relationships which leads to the next scene of her telling Sawyer just bc they are in love doesnt mean they belong together.

JZ1276

did anyone else wonder why kate and sawyer didnt just grab the chain that juliet was caught on instead of trying to pull her up by her hands?

Jimmy James

They were actually smart enough to realize that if some gigantic magnetic force that was pulling in everything metal was the reason the chain was being pulled in, they didn't stand a chance of moving the chain?

yourlocalcinema

Was a thirty second flashback necessary just so she could repeat that line a minute or so later, though? That flashback seemed so out of place to me and is literally my only complaint about the finale, so I guess I'm just trying desperately to justify its inclusion. I just feel like it has to have been trimmed down or have some kind of deeper meaning, because it's completely unnecessary otherwise. I think her motivations would still have been pretty clear, or at least no more ambiguous than any of her other decisions.

Seantn

So you think that they would be strong enough to pull it out when the force that is pulling it in is strong enough to be breaking metal in half and to tip a car over?

JZ1276

the flashback just showed why she did what she did

JZ1276

No. But they wouldnt have been able to pull her out either as long as the chain was tied around her. Just makes more sense. Easier to grip a chain than a hand.

Jimmy James

I don't think they were aware she was entangled. If they were, they might have gone with an even more desperate rescue attempt.

cracksky

Seeing Richard building the Black Rock ship-in-a-bottle makes me think that he came to the island on that ship as Ricardos. Perhaps he was the last survivor in the battle maybe he was trying to keep the peace and Jacob gave him everlasting life as his reward. I guess he would still be there on the island somewhere with the brothers.

Michael Corvin

This isn't a slight on anyone in particular, but I am finding it quite humorous how so many people are posting so "matter-of-fact-ly" about what they think happened when the opening frames of season six could pretty much debunk every theory in this thread.

dsa_shea

We know that but what fun would it be to not at least speculate and have some confidence in what you believe. I imagine it would drive the writers crazy if they didn't see people posting on forums like this and webpages that talk about LOST. They seem like likeable guys but I can imagine their egos about the show are bigger than Ron Jeremy's penis. The odds are the writers are looking at what people are saying and trying to come up with a way that circumvents all (at least most) of the speculation just to prove everyone wrong for the season premiere.

s}{ammer

A few things I was thinking about:

Faraday's theory on the h-bomb was just that, a theory. Until this season he was saying the exact opposite. Therefore, he could have been wrong and nothing happened to the time line when they detonated the bomb. Or it may not have even gone off, I like the theory that the incident happened, and Dharma made the bomb as the failsafe that eventually get's used by the sexual predator.

I still can't see how anyone can call either of these characters good. One wants to kill the other, and uses people as pawns to do so. The other calls the people there to sacrifice lives in this game on purpose. I also find it funny how some of you have made comments about narrow minded and doing a disservice and so on, yet you hold on to a biblical story even though they overwhelmed us in this episode with Egyptian history. If anything, I believe some people are trying way too hard to fit this story into a Christian theme.

If the smoke monster is Jacob's enemy, how did Ben summon him to aid them when Keemey, or whatever his name was, attacked?

I don't believe the real Locke will be back as I think he found out the hard way, "What about you?" applies to all the people involved. He was, in the end, just another person in the game.

Charles, has he ever truly been the leader of the others? Richard has specifically stated that Eloise was their leader several times, but I seem to remember him only saying that Charles was "difficult" or something like that. Perhaps Charles was in a relationship with Eloise and so he was "Leader B" by default, but actually working for the enemy of Jacob.

Edit: Forgot one thing.
When Jacob said "they are coming" at the end, couldn't he have just meant Richard and the rest of the people outside were coming? It was at this point that faux locke kicked him in the fire and looked around.

cracksky

We already saw Ben summon the monster so Jacob's brother must've felt the need to keep him in charge at the time.

More likely it's the war Widmore spoke of. Why would Jacob warn him of an immediate danger outside while dying?

Son of Odin

i think the smoke monster isn't jacob or his brother. when ben told fake locke about seeing his daughter and her threatening him, fake john was surprised by it. i think jacob is still in control of the situation, he knew ben was going to kill him.

Draven

I've been reading these crazy theories that everyone is throwing out there for years now. Can I ask a question: has the actual answer EVER been as complicated as the stuff you are all making up?

I can't think of a single thing that has been revealed on the show that was as involved as half of the things in this thread.

Like the "Penny is dead!" stuff from a few weeks ago. We saw exactly what happened - Ben went there, shot Desmond, went after Penny, Desmond beat him up and threw him in the water. People went on and on about the idea that Ben somehow went back to kill her, which even went as far as lessons on the geography of California. And it ended up being exactly what it looked like.

Or let's go all the way back to the polar bear. I remember people saying that Walt created the polar bear with his mutant powers because there was one in his comic book. It ended up being that there was a zoo on the island and it escaped. Which is about as mundane an explanation as possible for a polar bear on a tropical island.

I just don't know why people waste so much time thinking about this show 10x harder than the writers do.