Baron Of Hell

Locke's a cylon. Believe it.

golden_rod

That's one of the biggest annoyances of the show; the fact that the characters refuse to show each other their cards. I can understand the writers wanting to keep things close to their vests, but not at the expense of the intelligence of the characters.

Why, exactly, did Jack never say to the other Losties "Hey, dudes! I've met Desmond before! Coincidence...?" It's just fucking asinine. His nephew disappears and he doesn't ask one single thing about him because Kate tells him not to?

golden_rod

We aren't talking about real life here, we're talking about the way a television show is written. They build their "romance" for two years, toss it aside, and the two don't say much of anything to each other when they finally come in contact again. It just didn't ring true for some reason, especially after the writers went to great lengths to establish that Ben had an obsessive love for Juliet & Juliet confessed her love for Jack. It seemed like a somewhat interesting romantic subplot (especially when compared to that heinous Jack/Kate/Sawyer shit) that was dropped just so they could kill off a great character for shock value.

B.A.

This show is ridiculous on so many levels. Always has been.

Glad I finally watched the finale.

Juliette is still my favorite character.

spainlinx0

Two years of the show is NOT 2 years real time. This plot line I have no problem with. Didn't Juliet and Jack date for basically three weeks or something show time?

dsa_shea

I was thinking the same thing before I read your post. Thanks for putting down what was on my mind. Think of how many 2 to 3 week flings we have had in our lives and then just moved on from them and never looked back. This isn't much different. She cared about him for a few weeks and then he just went away. She found someone else that she could love and did for 3 years. Not hard to understand why she didn't give 2 shits about Jack upon his return especially when he selfishly left her behind to go back home.

dsa_shea

Also, does anyone think that the Black Rock has any more significance than just simply a name choice? Seems rather apparent that it has to have some underlying meaning to the series. Also, hopefully they will explain where Eloise, Widmore and the rest of the no names with the Others have come from. Why are they there and how long have they been there? Why was Eloise a leader and now living in the real world? Was she given the boot a la Widmore? Does anyone think that Negative Nelly (Jacob's Nemesis) brought the Dharma Initiative there to create a hostile environment for those that Jacob brought to the island?

Michael Corvin

My point was that we've had at least one instance where we had a character alive and dead at the same time without Smokies "alleged" involvement.

I forgot my timing on the Sawyer example.

Someone help me, my memory fails me, did Jack actually see Christian in the coffin before setting foot on Oceanic 815? Do we know he was actually dead to begin with?

dsa_shea

I believe that Jack at some point, during the first season, said he saw his father's body and he was dead. We'll have to take his word for it.

DthRdrX

Right on. He saw the dead body in Australia. The body was no where to be found on the island though. I'm going to post my thoughts on this, probably tommorow.

golden_rod

Really? Considering Jack had only been on the island for 100 days prior to his return, I figured it would have been obvious that I was referring to the two years (read: seasons) the writers spent establishing their relationship. Guess not.

Again, I'm not talking about real life situations & how two old flames would react to each other after three years. This is Lost, the show where characters act so stupidly that it could almost be considered a form of mild retardation. I'm talking about what I saw as an interesting subplot (the Jack/Juliet/Ben "triangle") being ditched just so they could kill Juliet off for no good reason.

Gunde

1. You don't know if she's really dead.

2. If she is you don't know if it was for no good reason.

Baron Of Hell

Jack didn't remember meeting Desmond. It isn't like they dated for months or something. Jack had a 5 minute conversation with him years before they crashed on the island. There is no possible way they would recall meeting each other after such a minor meeting.

kaze0

Juliet is dead, her purpose was to set off the bomb. That's why she didn't die or pass out when she fell down the shaft, much like Michael couldn't die until the ship exploded. Stop trying to figure out if she's alive or not.

dino88

Juliet is not dead. She traveled forward in time to just before the Oceanic 6 decided to return to the island. She followed Ben and watched as he shot Desmond. After Ben was knocked into the water, Juliet grabbed his gun and killed Penny. I can't believe Penny is dead.

DVD Josh

FWIW, the blast door map basically says that the polar bears were used for science experiments (adapting species outside of their natural habitat).

The question one should have is if the FDW is used to transport a person off the Island to Tunisia, what sense does it make for a polar bear to be the one to turn it and leave?

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr.

I did not see this episode, when was it? Or is that a spoiler for next season?

DVD Josh

It's not any spoiler I've heard of, I'll say that much. It seems like rampant speculation to me.

MoviePage

Good one.

Michael Corvin

Considering they never use the FDW(Ben's been there, what, 40 years and never had to turn it), 2-3 polar bears would suffice. In that time having them adapt and breed would also make sense.

Also, the blast door map was made by Kelvin who, I wouldn't think, have intimate knowledge of what's going on, but speculating based on what he has seen... correct?

June can't get here soon enough so I can re-watch the first two seasons.

MoviePage

The episode where this occurred showed us the flashback with Jack meeting Desmond for the first time, in which Desmond used the word "brother" in conversation. Back in the hatch, Desmond's face was hidden behind Locke when Jack first came across him, and was then dramatically revealed as he said some dialogue ending with the word "brother." Cut to look of shock on Jack's face as he says "You!" Cut to LOST.

So yes, Jack definitely remembered him.

MoviePage

Does that include immortals who can assume the likeness of dead people?

Palaver

I don’t think anybody has mentioned this possibility yet, so I just throw this out there. Plus, if this is right, I want credit for predicting it.

I can’t help but think that Jacob and Ben may actually be working together in a long con of sorts. I can’t get past the fact that Ben really started acting out of character once he saw the resurrected Locke. I know we are supposed to attribute that to his shock of seeing Locke alive. But I think he was actually playing dumb.

Little things like his claiming to not know about the drug plane. I don’t believe for a minute that Ben didn’t already know about that plane. I think he knew all along that Locke wasn’t really Locke and he was just lying low to figure out what to do.

Of course all of this begs the question: Why did he seemingly kill Jacob? I don’t think we know enough (or anything) about this supposed loophole at this point, but his appearing to kill Jacob may have been part of a bigger plan to lull him into a false sense of security, while the grand plan is put into place (“They’re coming”).

Bottom line: Ben has been too much of a kick ass character to have been so easily bamboozled at this point. We have to assume that Jacob choose Ben as a leader (unlike Locke) and he did it for a reason. I definitely would want Ben on my side if a war was coming.

I know my evidence on this is flimsy, but I’m going with my gut on this one.

buzzdalf

+1

I have been thinking the same thing about the fail safe key. I think that WAS the bomb.
Although, maybe it still IS the bomb and it was always put there by the losties. After they flash out at the end of the episode Dharma decides to use it as the fail safe. They were just setting up what really happened and didn't change anything.
hmm, I have to wonder.

RichC2

To think this time next year the topic will read Series Finale. Can't wait!