The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
10-13-14, 11:24 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
I don't read the graphic novels but I don't see that "scientist" character hanging around past this season from a story structure standpoint. We would have already gotten a lot more character development moments from him if he was intended to be a permanent cast member.
Does anyone else think about the dumb actors that begged off this show after they fired Frank Darabont? The paydays for the lead actors on this series will be enormous when their contracts come up for renewal.
Does anyone else think about the dumb actors that begged off this show after they fired Frank Darabont? The paydays for the lead actors on this series will be enormous when their contracts come up for renewal.
10-13-14, 11:28 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
I don't read the graphic novels but I don't see that "scientist" character hanging around past this season from a story structure standpoint. We would have already gotten a lot more character development moments from him if he was intended to be a permanent cast member.
Does anyone else think about the dumb actors that begged off this show after they fired Frank Darabont? The paydays for the lead actors on this series will be enormous when their contracts come up for renewal.
Does anyone else think about the dumb actors that begged off this show after they fired Frank Darabont? The paydays for the lead actors on this series will be enormous when their contracts come up for renewal.
10-13-14, 11:35 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
As for contract renewals, these actors would be crazy to not do anything to stay in as many episodes as possible. Most are just not getting that much work outside of the series. Also given how much AMC reruns the show, and the probability that the show could go on for a very long time, the royalty paychecks alone will be worth it.
10-14-14, 12:00 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
Damn, this show is starting to pick up a number of Treme actors. First Michonne, then Tony from the "claimed" gang, and now the Terminus guy that Tyrese took care of.
Good opener, glad to be back to watch it live, and see the gang all together.
Good opener, glad to be back to watch it live, and see the gang all together.
10-14-14, 05:25 AM
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Of course Rick and Darryl are probably the most popular among the fanbase, but I think the show would continue with strong ratings if one of them pulled a powerplay and they just killed them off.
10-14-14, 06:29 AM
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AMC isn't going to find themselves in another "Mad Men" situation, where they have to pay a fortune to retain the actors. Yes, Andrew will get a nice payday, but if he plays hardball, he's going to be zombie food. This is one of the few series I can think of that has the ability to rotate cast without any significant dip in quality - the talent pool on the show is just really deep.
10-14-14, 07:04 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
I haven't read the comments, will go back in a minute, but I just watched this episode last night. Best episode of the entire series. The first episode of season 1 was good. One of the attacks on the prison, maybe the one where Herschel gets killed was up there, but I think this one was the best.
10-14-14, 07:40 AM
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Didn't care much for Season 3. Just binge watched Season 4 and this season premiere. My God, this show has picked up. Simply incredible.
10-14-14, 08:23 AM
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Rick is my favorite character on the show, and I don't know if it would be the same if they killed him off. In saying that, I think the way the show is made is that every character is expendable, and not one actor could hold the show hostage if they decided to hold out for more money. Now characters like Tony Soprano, Archie Bunker, Sam Malone, etc, ARE the show, and the shows would never be the same if they left.
Of course Rick and Darryl are probably the most popular among the fanbase, but I think the show would continue with strong ratings if one of them pulled a powerplay and they just killed them off.
Of course Rick and Darryl are probably the most popular among the fanbase, but I think the show would continue with strong ratings if one of them pulled a powerplay and they just killed them off.
10-14-14, 08:47 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
They can kill anyone but Rick. Otherwise they would need to do a lot of reworking compared with the comic. I know that they don't follow the comic 100%, but Rick is the main character in both.
But yeah, the rest, they can kill anyone. Even Carl.
But yeah, the rest, they can kill anyone. Even Carl.
10-14-14, 09:11 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
Comic talk>>>>>
I'd be shocked if Carl does not eventually become the main focus of the comics with Rick dying. There's no way you have a character go through everything Carl has gone through by the age of 12 or so and not make him an absolute boss. His TV character is a bit annoying sometimes but Carl has gone through more than anyone else in the books. Shot twice, once through the head losing an eye and leaving an entrance and exit hole in his head. Killing one of the twins when nobody else will, making the tough decisions. Killing Shane and saving his father. Sneaking on a truck by himself and mowing down Negan's men with an automatic weapon. His mom and sister getting killed and then surviving on his own at like age 8-9 while Rick was on the verge of death. Learning from Rick. It all points to a life of pain and character building that will make him a young unstoppable leader. I'm guessing Rick dies in the books when Carl is in his late teens/early 20s, maybe issue 200 or 250 or 300. Kirkmann says he plans at least 300 issues. There in the 130s now.
I'd be shocked if Carl does not eventually become the main focus of the comics with Rick dying. There's no way you have a character go through everything Carl has gone through by the age of 12 or so and not make him an absolute boss. His TV character is a bit annoying sometimes but Carl has gone through more than anyone else in the books. Shot twice, once through the head losing an eye and leaving an entrance and exit hole in his head. Killing one of the twins when nobody else will, making the tough decisions. Killing Shane and saving his father. Sneaking on a truck by himself and mowing down Negan's men with an automatic weapon. His mom and sister getting killed and then surviving on his own at like age 8-9 while Rick was on the verge of death. Learning from Rick. It all points to a life of pain and character building that will make him a young unstoppable leader. I'm guessing Rick dies in the books when Carl is in his late teens/early 20s, maybe issue 200 or 250 or 300. Kirkmann says he plans at least 300 issues. There in the 130s now.
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10-14-14, 09:23 AM
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to Walking Dead!
10-14-14, 09:24 AM
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As far as the episode itself is concerned, it was pretty exciting, but I have to admit I kind of wish there had been a bit more build up. I know people complain about them being stuck at the farm/prison for months, but there's got to be a middle ground somewhere. Maybe my interests in this show just lie elsewhere compared to everyone else. Sure it's fun to see stuff blow up and zombies doing their thing, but to me the really interesting part is what is happening to society in general. The few moments they devoted to the Terminus back story and how it related to our heroes' story was much more interesting to me.
10-14-14, 09:38 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
Comic talk>>>>>
I'd be shocked if Carl does not eventually become the main focus of the comics with Rick dying. There's no way you have a character go through everything Carl has gone through by the age of 12 or so and not make him an absolute boss. His TV character is a bit annoying sometimes but Carl has gone through more than anyone else in the books. Shot twice, once through the head losing an eye and leaving an entrance and exit hole in his head. Killing one of the twins when nobody else will, making the touch decisions. Killing Shane and saving his father. Sneaking on a truck by himself and mowing down Negan's men with an automatic weapon. His mom and sister getting killed and then surviving on his own at like age 8-9 while Rick was on the verge of death. Learning from Rick. It all points to a life of pain and character building that will make him a young unstoppable leader. I'm guessing Rick dies in the books when Carl is in his late teens/early 20s, maybe issue 200 or 250 or 300. Kirkmann says he plans at least 300 issues. There in the 130s now.
I'd be shocked if Carl does not eventually become the main focus of the comics with Rick dying. There's no way you have a character go through everything Carl has gone through by the age of 12 or so and not make him an absolute boss. His TV character is a bit annoying sometimes but Carl has gone through more than anyone else in the books. Shot twice, once through the head losing an eye and leaving an entrance and exit hole in his head. Killing one of the twins when nobody else will, making the touch decisions. Killing Shane and saving his father. Sneaking on a truck by himself and mowing down Negan's men with an automatic weapon. His mom and sister getting killed and then surviving on his own at like age 8-9 while Rick was on the verge of death. Learning from Rick. It all points to a life of pain and character building that will make him a young unstoppable leader. I'm guessing Rick dies in the books when Carl is in his late teens/early 20s, maybe issue 200 or 250 or 300. Kirkmann says he plans at least 300 issues. There in the 130s now.
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10-14-14, 10:42 AM
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I haven't read the comments, will go back in a minute, but I just watched this episode last night. Best episode of the entire series. The first episode of season 1 was good. One of the attacks on the prison, maybe the one where Herschel gets killed was up there, but I think this one was the best.
10-14-14, 11:19 AM
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I don't see Rick dying until maybe the very final episode. The only two of the current group to survive: Coral and Judith.
10-14-14, 11:34 AM
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I watched this last night. Damn good episode, but...
Although the trough scene was pretty brutal, it held absolutely no weight for me since I knew they weren't going to kill off anyone we cared about (including Bob).
I agree with others that, after he explained himself, the dude who wants to go to Washington is clearly full of shit. He was "part of" some testing and "thinks that" he can reverse it. Bullshit. Dude's an asshole.
It'll be interesting to see just how the Terminus folks turned to cannibalism, since it clearly wasn't their original goal before the rapists showed up and took away all the fun. I think Gareth is just a sick bastard who managed to convince the others to do it.
Although the trough scene was pretty brutal, it held absolutely no weight for me since I knew they weren't going to kill off anyone we cared about (including Bob).
I agree with others that, after he explained himself, the dude who wants to go to Washington is clearly full of shit. He was "part of" some testing and "thinks that" he can reverse it. Bullshit. Dude's an asshole.
It'll be interesting to see just how the Terminus folks turned to cannibalism, since it clearly wasn't their original goal before the rapists showed up and took away all the fun. I think Gareth is just a sick bastard who managed to convince the others to do it.
10-14-14, 11:41 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
The level of extreme WD takes this to is unbalanced and completely unrealistic and is why I no longer watch this show, in addition to the sheer idiocy of so many elements. I think there would certainly be lawlessness, rape, murder and torture, even cannibalism in a society beset by a zombie apocalypse, however I think WD takes the "evil" concept and the emergence of animalistic tendencies to parody levels of extreme. If history has shown anything is that civilization and rules is consistently borne out of chaos. There would be far more groups getting together to protect each other and create a civilized place with rules, than compounds run by corrupted cardboard caricatures of mustache twirling villains than WD portrays.
Another factor people forget that destroys any tie to what the society of this future would look like is that they ALL have a common enemy and ALL have a common interest in surviving against that common threat. Instead of preying on each other, a far greater amount would work together to create a semblence of goodness and morality and above all else safety in this world.
There is no way the world would devolve the way it is portrayed in WD
Another factor people forget that destroys any tie to what the society of this future would look like is that they ALL have a common enemy and ALL have a common interest in surviving against that common threat. Instead of preying on each other, a far greater amount would work together to create a semblence of goodness and morality and above all else safety in this world.
There is no way the world would devolve the way it is portrayed in WD
10-14-14, 11:44 AM
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AMC isn't going to find themselves in another "Mad Men" situation, where they have to pay a fortune to retain the actors. Yes, Andrew will get a nice payday, but if he plays hardball, he's going to be zombie food. This is one of the few series I can think of that has the ability to rotate cast without any significant dip in quality - the talent pool on the show is just really deep.
10-14-14, 02:24 PM
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Daryl is far more untouchable on the television show than Rick. From a creative standpoint, Rick has served his purpose and I don't think the show would skip much of a beat if he died. Fans likely would riot but they would come back.
10-14-14, 04:05 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E01) -- Season Premiere -- "No Sanctuary" -- 10/12/14
People who are saying that Rick is expendable obviously don't read the comic. If they're staying true to the spirit of the comic, getting rid of him would be a drastic change and I just don't see any other character in the show who could fill his shoes.
10-14-14, 04:08 PM
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That opening was one of the most intense, gut wrenching scenes I've ever scene... TV or otherwise. I knew the 4 characters we knew wouldn't die, but it was still edgy enough to keep me wondering.
10-14-14, 07:06 PM
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Exactly. Plus all this discussion about Andrew Lincoln holding out for a huge paycheck are just imagined scenarios anyway. He's probably still thanking his lucky stars that he landed the role, and so is anybody else related to the show, including the extras playing walkers.