The Xbox 360 Compendium
08-18-05, 07:45 PM
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I expect that shortly after launch almost all games will be $50 or under.
I can see gamres paying $60 for Halo and GTA caliber games, but most other games it's just not going to happen.
No one's going to pay $60 to get Ratchet and Clank 5 or whatever IMO.
I can see gamres paying $60 for Halo and GTA caliber games, but most other games it's just not going to happen.
No one's going to pay $60 to get Ratchet and Clank 5 or whatever IMO.
08-18-05, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
And you forgot that in 2001 when the Xbox launched, the hard drive was included in the machine and there was no such thing as a wireless controller.
This is a strict comparision of what you could get when the first Xbox launch and matching that up as best as possible to what you can get with the 360 launch. As you can see (well, at least Adam sees), the better deal at the time was the original Xbox. As Adam pointed out, it is probably because Microsoft doesn't have the same goals.
This is a strict comparision of what you could get when the first Xbox launch and matching that up as best as possible to what you can get with the 360 launch. As you can see (well, at least Adam sees), the better deal at the time was the original Xbox. As Adam pointed out, it is probably because Microsoft doesn't have the same goals.
What will the rationale/defense be for the $400-$500 PS3? Blu-Ray? Meh, Blu-Ray = Beta.
08-18-05, 09:19 PM
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Yeah, I can't wait to hear him spin that one.
Disagree on Blu-Ray=Beta though, I really don't see how HD-DVD stands a chance against Blu-ray with some studios already signing on for Blu-Ray and the PS3 putting tens of millions of Blu-Ray players in homes. Unless you simply mean that HD DVD formats period might fail, which I do think is a possibility. I could see them not catching on as much as DVD and becoming a Laserdisc niche market type of item.
Disagree on Blu-Ray=Beta though, I really don't see how HD-DVD stands a chance against Blu-ray with some studios already signing on for Blu-Ray and the PS3 putting tens of millions of Blu-Ray players in homes. Unless you simply mean that HD DVD formats period might fail, which I do think is a possibility. I could see them not catching on as much as DVD and becoming a Laserdisc niche market type of item.
08-19-05, 01:01 AM
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what some industry people say about the pricing structure:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...d=796&Itemid=2
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...d=796&Itemid=2
08-19-05, 01:08 AM
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Thanks to all that helped to clear up the cable debate. The few XBOX related sites I've been to in the past 2 days are so incredibly confused about the situation that my head is still spinning. At this point I think I'd rather spend the extra 40.00 instead of trying to look up a proper answer.
This pricing structure has caused on of the 3 buddies I game with to totally give up on the 360. I have a feeling I'll see another one pass on the system as well. *sigh* And we were all really looking forward to 4 person games of Tiger 2006 on LIVE.
This pricing structure has caused on of the 3 buddies I game with to totally give up on the 360. I have a feeling I'll see another one pass on the system as well. *sigh* And we were all really looking forward to 4 person games of Tiger 2006 on LIVE.
08-19-05, 08:14 AM
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$49.99 first party games?
A Microsoft Employee's post at TalkXbox:
A Microsoft Employee's post at TalkXbox:
First up, a look at all the accessories and prices:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/17.jpg
This next one is just basically some advertising, but it's still cool looking:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/16.jpg
This next one is just basically an overview of the system and it's features and a chart of what's included with which package:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/15.jpg
This is another overview of the total experience of the X360:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/14.jpg
This sheet talks about what comes with the Xbox 360 Core System and all that good stuff:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/13.jpg
Finally, the last one is the sheet with the Xbox 360 System package on it:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/12.jpg
More tidbits you might like to know:
There is no word on an official launch date, but we were told to look at history and try to figure it out for ourselves. I personally think that MS likes to launch everything major for the Xbox on November 9th or 15th, so that's the dates I'm looking at. There is also no official word on the number of consoles that will be available at launch. Basically they're going to put as many on the market as they possibly can.
Backwards Compatibility: I talked about this in the other big thread, but just to put it all in one place, here goes. The easy answer to this is yes, it will be. Out of the box at launch, not every single title, but most of the ones that most people will want to play. People with more esoteric tastes may have to wait a little while longer, but they will get to your favorite game eventually.
The bonus remote control included in the Xbox 360 package will be for a limited time only and will only control the Xbox 360 itself, unlike the separately available universal remote accessory. This bonus remote will not be backlit, nor will it have a number pad. It will however enable your Media Center extender capabilities, so if you have an MCE PC, you're good to go.
I'm not sure if any of the sheets I posted as pics mentions this, but, the Xbox 360 bundle will have a really cool silver trim that's NOT on the Xbox 360 Core system console.
As far as Xbox Live is concerned, everyone will have the Silver level, which is pretty much everything but being able to play games online. Those of you who subscribe to Xbox Live now, your accounts will automatically convert to Gold subscriptions. You will also be able to play your live account on either your Xbox v1 or your Xbox 360, BUT, not both at the same time (unless you purchase two accounts).
The HDD is no longer as necessary as it once was for the Xbox v1 console. The sheer power of the Xbox 360 means that it does not need all the storage that the HDD enabled for the v1 console. It will still be useful for storing media and custom soundtracks, and I do believe that some games will require it, but you can always add it on if you only buy the Core system. Also, you can take your detachable HDD to a friend's Xbox 360 and attach it to their system and use your saved info (which I think is really cool).
Also, some of you may not be aware, the but interactive kiosks in the store will have functionality that allows you to bring your memory card and download content from the kiosk and take it back to your Xbox 360.
MS will own the exclusive rights to the wireless controller until December 2007, no third party wireless controllers will be available until then, only wired controllers.
inally, MS has stated that, at least first party titles will priced in parity with current generation games. Meaning, that current major titles retail for $49.99, the same will be true for Xbox 360 games. Bargain titles sell for $29.99 or less, the same will be true for the Xbox 360 titles. Third party devs can set their own prices for their games, but as I said earlier, I think they would be foolish to charge more than what MS will charge for its own titles.
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/17.jpg
This next one is just basically some advertising, but it's still cool looking:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/16.jpg
This next one is just basically an overview of the system and it's features and a chart of what's included with which package:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/15.jpg
This is another overview of the total experience of the X360:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/14.jpg
This sheet talks about what comes with the Xbox 360 Core System and all that good stuff:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/13.jpg
Finally, the last one is the sheet with the Xbox 360 System package on it:
http://www.talkxbox.com/screenshots/822/12.jpg
More tidbits you might like to know:
There is no word on an official launch date, but we were told to look at history and try to figure it out for ourselves. I personally think that MS likes to launch everything major for the Xbox on November 9th or 15th, so that's the dates I'm looking at. There is also no official word on the number of consoles that will be available at launch. Basically they're going to put as many on the market as they possibly can.
Backwards Compatibility: I talked about this in the other big thread, but just to put it all in one place, here goes. The easy answer to this is yes, it will be. Out of the box at launch, not every single title, but most of the ones that most people will want to play. People with more esoteric tastes may have to wait a little while longer, but they will get to your favorite game eventually.
The bonus remote control included in the Xbox 360 package will be for a limited time only and will only control the Xbox 360 itself, unlike the separately available universal remote accessory. This bonus remote will not be backlit, nor will it have a number pad. It will however enable your Media Center extender capabilities, so if you have an MCE PC, you're good to go.
I'm not sure if any of the sheets I posted as pics mentions this, but, the Xbox 360 bundle will have a really cool silver trim that's NOT on the Xbox 360 Core system console.
As far as Xbox Live is concerned, everyone will have the Silver level, which is pretty much everything but being able to play games online. Those of you who subscribe to Xbox Live now, your accounts will automatically convert to Gold subscriptions. You will also be able to play your live account on either your Xbox v1 or your Xbox 360, BUT, not both at the same time (unless you purchase two accounts).
The HDD is no longer as necessary as it once was for the Xbox v1 console. The sheer power of the Xbox 360 means that it does not need all the storage that the HDD enabled for the v1 console. It will still be useful for storing media and custom soundtracks, and I do believe that some games will require it, but you can always add it on if you only buy the Core system. Also, you can take your detachable HDD to a friend's Xbox 360 and attach it to their system and use your saved info (which I think is really cool).
Also, some of you may not be aware, the but interactive kiosks in the store will have functionality that allows you to bring your memory card and download content from the kiosk and take it back to your Xbox 360.
MS will own the exclusive rights to the wireless controller until December 2007, no third party wireless controllers will be available until then, only wired controllers.
inally, MS has stated that, at least first party titles will priced in parity with current generation games. Meaning, that current major titles retail for $49.99, the same will be true for Xbox 360 games. Bargain titles sell for $29.99 or less, the same will be true for the Xbox 360 titles. Third party devs can set their own prices for their games, but as I said earlier, I think they would be foolish to charge more than what MS will charge for its own titles.
08-19-05, 09:16 AM
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inally, MS has stated that, at least first party titles will priced in parity with current generation games. Meaning, that current major titles retail for $49.99, the same will be true for Xbox 360 games. Bargain titles sell for $29.99 or less, the same will be true for the Xbox 360 titles. Third party devs can set their own prices for their games, but as I said earlier, I think they would be foolish to charge more than what MS will charge for its own titles.
08-19-05, 09:45 AM
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inally, MS has stated that, at least first party titles will priced in parity with current generation games. Meaning, that current major titles retail for $49.99, the same will be true for Xbox 360 games. Bargain titles sell for $29.99 or less, the same will be true for the Xbox 360 titles. Third party devs can set their own prices for their games, but as I said earlier, I think they would be foolish to charge more than what MS will charge for its own titles.
08-19-05, 02:35 PM
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That sucks that they're not including the full universal remote control with the full version. I didn't realize it was a "reduced media edition" until Flay's post.
Included for limited time:
$29.99:
That may convince me to wait until 2006 to pick up the console, since I won't be getting a full remote by buying at launch. It's not a huge deal in and of itself, but it's just something else thrown onto the "reasons not to buy in November" pile.
In other news, apparently a 3 month trial of Live Gold will be included with the full xbox 360, and they have corrected the error of having listed the core console with the HD A/V cable that I mentioned earlier.
Included for limited time:
$29.99:
That may convince me to wait until 2006 to pick up the console, since I won't be getting a full remote by buying at launch. It's not a huge deal in and of itself, but it's just something else thrown onto the "reasons not to buy in November" pile.
In other news, apparently a 3 month trial of Live Gold will be included with the full xbox 360, and they have corrected the error of having listed the core console with the HD A/V cable that I mentioned earlier.
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08-19-05, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Flay
Backwards Compatibility: I talked about this in the other big thread, but just to put it all in one place, here goes. The easy answer to this is yes, it will be. Out of the box at launch, not every single title, but most of the ones that most people will want to play. People with more esoteric tastes may have to wait a little while longer, but they will get to your favorite game eventually.
People are going to be pissed when they buy their $299 console to realise they've been lied to about backward compatibility.
08-19-05, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
FALSE. J Allard has already comfirmed that a Hard Drive is REQUIRED for backward compatibility with XBox games. Which makes sense, as the HD is equipped in every XBox machine.
People are going to be pissed when they buy their $299 console to realise they've been lied to about backward compatibility.
People are going to be pissed when they buy their $299 console to realise they've been lied to about backward compatibility.
08-20-05, 12:02 PM
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08-20-05, 01:01 PM
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08-20-05, 02:30 PM
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Not being familiar with the ilovebees thread, I can see the seconds ticking down, but what are the other numbers?
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08-21-05, 06:52 AM
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How can you guys see those numbers? I can barely make them out, and didn't even see them until someone mentioned they were there.
08-21-05, 02:20 PM
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A little more info about the www.origenxbox360.com site:
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9042/O...rColonyNet-v2/
My guess is that 'origen' is going to stand for 'Original Generation', and that it will be some sort of further info about backwards compatibility.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9042/O...rColonyNet-v2/
My guess is that 'origen' is going to stand for 'Original Generation', and that it will be some sort of further info about backwards compatibility.
08-22-05, 03:31 PM
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10972
Allard defends 360 decisions in online chat
Kristan Reed 14:02 22/08/2005
J Allard, Microsoft’s chief XNA architect, was forced onto the defensive last night as he faced the public in an hour-long live online chat regarding Microsoft's next generation gaming system, Xbox 360.
Answering questions about the dual pricing decision announced at Games Convention in Leipzig last week - whereby Xbox 360 will be made available at retail as a pack complete with 20GB hard drive, a wireless controller, and more for GBP 279.99, as well as a Core System pack, which includes only the console and a wired controller for GBP 209.99 - and the high pricing of the hard drive add-on, Allard was given a tough time by his audience.
Asked, "Why even offer the Core package?", Allard responded, "While we designed a no compromises game system, a huge percentage of our customers are not like the folks in this chat room."
Comparing the Xbox 360 to other successful entry-level consumer products such as the iPod Shuffle, Porsche Boxster, the 4:3 TV and the 1 mega-pixel digital camera, Allard said, "We designed the Core System as a way to get folks to come into the family at a cheaper price and decide if and how they scale the system.
"The great thing about our approach, unlike these examples, is that the Core owner can upgrade the system and match the capabilities of the premium system when the time is right for them."
He did concede, however, that Core users would have to buy a GBP 22.99 memory card in order to save their games, a point he said was "consistent with the games industry for the last decade."
Taken to task over the price (GBP 69.99) of the 20GB hard drive add-on, Allard responded, "The 20GB hard drive is a 2.5 inch user serviceable drive and is more expensive than a PC ‘crack the box’ drive. It's one of the reasons we pushed to create a compelling premium bundle."
In response to the "steep" asking price for the premium Xbox 360 bundle (GBP 279.99), Allard pulled no punches, arguing it was "great value" and that the capabilities offered in its forthcoming machine "are unmatched in the history of video gaming."
Comparing it to Sony's PlayStation 2 launch strategy, he said, "The PS2 launched at $368 (in Japan) with no hard drive, no online service, no [memory card], no wireless, no voice, no network adapter, no remote, and only support for two controllers.
"When you consider you are getting the most powerful games system, best CD player, digital media player, movie player, etcetera, it's great value," he added.
Meanwhile, on the thorny issue of HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray, Allard said, "It's going to be interesting to see how and if a high def format for movies plays out," but later admitted, "We prefer HD-DVD to Blu-Ray in terms of the flexibility it offers to different applications as well as the infrastructure costs to the market."
Elsewhere in the discussion, Allard addressed Microsoft's stance on why Wi-Fi wasn't included as standard, the role of the hard disk, backward compatibility and more. The full transcript is available here.
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Allard defends 360 decisions in online chat
Kristan Reed 14:02 22/08/2005
J Allard, Microsoft’s chief XNA architect, was forced onto the defensive last night as he faced the public in an hour-long live online chat regarding Microsoft's next generation gaming system, Xbox 360.
Answering questions about the dual pricing decision announced at Games Convention in Leipzig last week - whereby Xbox 360 will be made available at retail as a pack complete with 20GB hard drive, a wireless controller, and more for GBP 279.99, as well as a Core System pack, which includes only the console and a wired controller for GBP 209.99 - and the high pricing of the hard drive add-on, Allard was given a tough time by his audience.
Asked, "Why even offer the Core package?", Allard responded, "While we designed a no compromises game system, a huge percentage of our customers are not like the folks in this chat room."
Comparing the Xbox 360 to other successful entry-level consumer products such as the iPod Shuffle, Porsche Boxster, the 4:3 TV and the 1 mega-pixel digital camera, Allard said, "We designed the Core System as a way to get folks to come into the family at a cheaper price and decide if and how they scale the system.
"The great thing about our approach, unlike these examples, is that the Core owner can upgrade the system and match the capabilities of the premium system when the time is right for them."
He did concede, however, that Core users would have to buy a GBP 22.99 memory card in order to save their games, a point he said was "consistent with the games industry for the last decade."
Taken to task over the price (GBP 69.99) of the 20GB hard drive add-on, Allard responded, "The 20GB hard drive is a 2.5 inch user serviceable drive and is more expensive than a PC ‘crack the box’ drive. It's one of the reasons we pushed to create a compelling premium bundle."
In response to the "steep" asking price for the premium Xbox 360 bundle (GBP 279.99), Allard pulled no punches, arguing it was "great value" and that the capabilities offered in its forthcoming machine "are unmatched in the history of video gaming."
Comparing it to Sony's PlayStation 2 launch strategy, he said, "The PS2 launched at $368 (in Japan) with no hard drive, no online service, no [memory card], no wireless, no voice, no network adapter, no remote, and only support for two controllers.
"When you consider you are getting the most powerful games system, best CD player, digital media player, movie player, etcetera, it's great value," he added.
Meanwhile, on the thorny issue of HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray, Allard said, "It's going to be interesting to see how and if a high def format for movies plays out," but later admitted, "We prefer HD-DVD to Blu-Ray in terms of the flexibility it offers to different applications as well as the infrastructure costs to the market."
Elsewhere in the discussion, Allard addressed Microsoft's stance on why Wi-Fi wasn't included as standard, the role of the hard disk, backward compatibility and more. The full transcript is available here.
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08-22-05, 08:00 PM
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1up posted a nice roundtable about the 360 in video form. Good stuff.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143008&did=1
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143008&did=1
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Preorders are starting from ebgames:
Xbox 360 Ultimate Bundle
$699.92
Limit 1 per customer.
If you're a serious gamer looking for the ultimate console, the search ends here. Fully loaded, the Xbox 360 Ultimate Bundle is the unsurpassed gaming and entertainment experience right out of the box, with a selection of games and accessories hand-picked for power gaming.
This bundle includes:
* Xbox 360 Premium System
o Xbox 360 Game Console
o Wireless Controller
o Combination High-Definition Component and Standard A/V Cable
o 20GB Hard Drive
o Ethernet Cable
o Headset
o Universal Media Remote
o Xbox Live Silver
o Xbox Live Gold 30-Day Trial
* Perfect Dark Zero Limited Edition
* Dead or Alive 4
* Kameo: Elements of Power
* Project Gotham Racing 3
* Extra Wireless Controller
* Play & Charge Kit (for extra controller)
* Rechargeable Battery Pack (for included controller)
Xbox 360 Core Bundle
$599.93
Limit 1 per customer.
The Xbox 360 Core Bundle includes everything you need to hit the ground running. Plug in the console and controllers and fire up one of the four games included. Then decide what extras you add and when—it's expandable to the full Xbox 360 experience.
This bundle includes:
* Xbox 360 Core System
o Xbox 360 Game Console
o Wired Controller
o Composite A/V Cable
o Xbox Live Silver
o Xbox Live Gold 30-Day Trial
* Perfect Dark Zero: Limited Edition
* Dead or Alive 4
* Kameo: Elements of Power
* Project Gotham Racing 3
* Extra Wired Controller
* Memory Unit (required to save games without hard-drive)
This bundle does not include the hard drive needed to play games created for the original Xbox
Forgot to include link : http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categorie...p?site=NLF0823
Xbox 360 Ultimate Bundle
$699.92
Limit 1 per customer.
If you're a serious gamer looking for the ultimate console, the search ends here. Fully loaded, the Xbox 360 Ultimate Bundle is the unsurpassed gaming and entertainment experience right out of the box, with a selection of games and accessories hand-picked for power gaming.
This bundle includes:
* Xbox 360 Premium System
o Xbox 360 Game Console
o Wireless Controller
o Combination High-Definition Component and Standard A/V Cable
o 20GB Hard Drive
o Ethernet Cable
o Headset
o Universal Media Remote
o Xbox Live Silver
o Xbox Live Gold 30-Day Trial
* Perfect Dark Zero Limited Edition
* Dead or Alive 4
* Kameo: Elements of Power
* Project Gotham Racing 3
* Extra Wireless Controller
* Play & Charge Kit (for extra controller)
* Rechargeable Battery Pack (for included controller)
Xbox 360 Core Bundle
$599.93
Limit 1 per customer.
The Xbox 360 Core Bundle includes everything you need to hit the ground running. Plug in the console and controllers and fire up one of the four games included. Then decide what extras you add and when—it's expandable to the full Xbox 360 experience.
This bundle includes:
* Xbox 360 Core System
o Xbox 360 Game Console
o Wired Controller
o Composite A/V Cable
o Xbox Live Silver
o Xbox Live Gold 30-Day Trial
* Perfect Dark Zero: Limited Edition
* Dead or Alive 4
* Kameo: Elements of Power
* Project Gotham Racing 3
* Extra Wired Controller
* Memory Unit (required to save games without hard-drive)
This bundle does not include the hard drive needed to play games created for the original Xbox
Forgot to include link : http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categorie...p?site=NLF0823
Last edited by Ispep Aloc; 08-23-05 at 04:33 PM.
08-23-05, 04:48 PM
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I hope that Gamerush doesn't make you bundle. No way in hell I am paying $700 and I don't even get a fucking choice of what games I want. I am guessing in stores it will be different, but that is still insane.
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