General Blu-ray News and Discussion - PART 4
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Originally Posted by pricdews
Warner could get a payoff. And they could want the market share compared to DVD to grow to more than 3-5%. Are you saying the other studios are stupid for not going neutral? Cause the 5 other big studios must be stupid then?
Originally Posted by Hammer99
Blu also has Rush Hour 3, which I think will do better than Eastern Promises, The Kingdom, and The Heartbreak Kid combined. Then again, I thought Potter combined would win this week lol.
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Originally Posted by Hammer99
Blu also has Rush Hour 3, which I think will do better than Eastern Promises, The Kingdom, and The Heartbreak Kid combined. Then again, I thought Potter combined would win this week lol.
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Originally Posted by pricdews
I've seen you state this countless times and then not respond when asked to back it up. I'll try, source?
Warner mentions how great 300 sales are on both formats, especially Blu-ray, but that they don't think a gamer system can substain a format. They mention SA sales are import and they will be watching them on both formats.
I know someone here can find it or link it, there is just way too many when I google it.
Here's a link similar to it..
http://www.tvsnob.com/archives/014477.php
WB has already said that Home Players sales are the sales that REALLY matter and that PS3 title sales cannot be predicted because you do not know how many PS3 owners will buy movies. When someone purchases an Toshiba HD-DVD or 360 HD-DVD Player you know those consumers WILL buy movies or they would NOT have made the purchase at all. The PS3 is a game machine first then Blu-Ray Player second. For Blu-Ray to make a huge dent with PS3 consumers would need to purchase more than one (PS3) or you will have people fighting over watching movies or playing games (in many households, not all). Nielson and other stat trackers do not count the PS3 as part of the Home Player sales.
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This past weeks numbers is clearly quite the victory for the BDA. I'm still can't believe hd-dvd did not win the week. I figured it was a foregone conclusion with a very highly anticipated title like Boure and the BOGO sales. It must have been the staying power of Pirates 3. Also very shocking to see HP5 underperform for both formats. I wonder what Warner thinks of that.
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
This past weeks numbers is clearly quite the victory for the BDA. I'm still can't believe hd-dvd did not win the week. I figured it was a foregone conclusion with a very highly anticipated title like Boure and the BOGO sales. It must have been the staying power of Pirates 3. Also very shocking to see HP5 underperform for both formats. I wonder what Warner thinks of that.
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
This past weeks numbers is clearly quite the victory for the BDA. I'm still can't believe hd-dvd did not win the week. I figured it was a foregone conclusion with a very highly anticipated title like Boure and the BOGO sales. It must have been the staying power of Pirates 3.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I can't even find the article anymore, Ive looked. I know somewhere here has it.
Warner mentions how great 300 sales are on both formats, especially Blu-ray, but that they don't think a gamer system can substain a format. They mention SA sales are import and they will be watching them on both formats.
I know someone here can find it or link it, there is just way too many when I google it.
Here's a link similar to it..
http://www.tvsnob.com/archives/014477.php
Warner mentions how great 300 sales are on both formats, especially Blu-ray, but that they don't think a gamer system can substain a format. They mention SA sales are import and they will be watching them on both formats.
I know someone here can find it or link it, there is just way too many when I google it.
Here's a link similar to it..
http://www.tvsnob.com/archives/014477.php
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Originally Posted by pricdews
I don't see a quote from Warner there. Just a secondhand restating of a supposed quote, just like I'm questioning you on. That article is titled "Warner Bros. Drops Blu-ray License, Chooses HD DVD" - a bit flawed to start with don't you think? I think your interpretation that Warner is sitting back to decide just based on standalones is a bit loopy. Early on it may have been a concern. But now with Blu-ray standalones dropping in price, I don't see how it's the PRIMARY issue. 61-39 blue on Bourne+1st BOGO week - now that's a number that speaks volumes.
As for Blu-ray SA dropping, its simply to clear out old models. 1.1 players will go back up to the $500 or so price range I'm sure after CES. I imagine the 1400/BDP-300 are no longer being made.
As for numbers, Warner is mainly looking at their own I'm sure. Don't think they don't know about the constant BOGOs and whatnot the BDA likes to have either.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Its not the article I was looking for, just one that mentions it off-hand.
As for Blu-ray SA dropping, its simply to clear out old models. 1.1 players will go back up to the $500 or so price range I'm sure after CES. I imagine the 1400/BDP-300 are no longer being made.
As for numbers, Warner is mainly looking at their own I'm sure. Don't think they don't know about the constant BOGOs and whatnot the BDA likes to have either.
As for Blu-ray SA dropping, its simply to clear out old models. 1.1 players will go back up to the $500 or so price range I'm sure after CES. I imagine the 1400/BDP-300 are no longer being made.
As for numbers, Warner is mainly looking at their own I'm sure. Don't think they don't know about the constant BOGOs and whatnot the BDA likes to have either.
Someone actually compared the Warner titles, 1.2 to 2 is the range
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/show...2&postcount=11
also, Vaughn just stated on another forum that Blu-ray has a slight edge on apple-to-apple Warner comparisons. I'll agree it's not overwhelming, but with Warner sales leaning blue, I think Warner either goes blue exclusive or stays neutral.
Last edited by pricdews; 12-20-07 at 01:24 AM.
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Harry Potter didn't sell well because DVDs are good enough for parents to buy their kids. It's the same reasoning why High School Musical 2 isn't going to be a hit for Disney. Because if you want to buy your pre-teen child High School Musical 2 you first have to shell out $300 for a PS3. If Disney knew ahead of time there would be $100 HD-DVD players versus $250 Blu-ray players I think their decision would've been easy.
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Harry Potter didn't sell well because DVDs are good enough for parents to buy their kids. It's the same reasoning why High School Musical 2 isn't going to be a hit for Disney. Because if you want to buy your pre-teen child High School Musical 2 you first have to shell out $300 for a PS3. If Disney knew ahead of time there would be $100 HD-DVD players versus $250 Blu-ray players I think their decision would've been easy.
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Where can i buy a 100 dollar HD DVD player?
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I think most of us thought HP would win as well. I imagine combined numbers of HD/BR may make it close to Bourne though.
So HP5 overall indeed did sell the most.
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I think the fact that POTC3 did so well is a major coup for BD because this title caters to everyone. For it to have sold 160K is great and it kind of tells people and Warner that BD sales are not being driven by the so called gamer crowd. Moms and Dads buy this kind of movie for their kids and I wouldn't be surprised if this helped sell some hardware.
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does anyone have the figures for 300 first week sales? my recollection is that hd/bd sales were fairly close first week, and have diverged over time with the title having more legs on bd. though it's possible i'm remembering incorrectly...
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I think the fact that POTC3 did so well is a major coup for BD because this title caters to everyone. For it to have sold 160K is great and it kind of tells people and Warner that BD sales are not being driven by the so called gamer crowd. Moms and Dads buy this kind of movie for their kids and I wouldn't be surprised if this helped sell some hardware.
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Originally Posted by pricdews
Warner could get a payoff. And they could want the market share compared to DVD to grow to more than 3-5%. Are you saying the other studios are stupid for not going neutral? Cause the 5 other big studios must be stupid then?
Warner may see the BD market as apathetic, as evidenced by the slim difference in sales between the two formats in sales of the Harry Potter discs.
Money is always a motivator, but it does not always come in the form of a "payoff."
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
This past weeks numbers is clearly quite the victory for the BDA. I'm still can't believe hd-dvd did not win the week. I figured it was a foregone conclusion with a very highly anticipated title like Boure and the BOGO sales. It must have been the staying power of Pirates 3. Also very shocking to see HP5 underperform for both formats. I wonder what Warner thinks of that.
People are spinning their asses off. This is NOT a great "victory" for BD. In a head-to-head where the content was nearly identical, they came out nearly even. With 3-4 times the number of potential consumers. That is NOT an overwhelming victory, no matter how much you love BD. Call a spade a fucking spade.
God.
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Originally Posted by darkside
POTC3 is exactly the kind of game that would do well with gamers and it only sold to 5% of BD owners if you count all the PS3s. Hardly a coup.
I think it is great that PotC3 moved as many units as it did, but they do have to be disappointed that they only hit a small percentage of their potential market.
Sales figures alone don't tell the whole story. Neither does attach rate alone. Both are tied together.
#246
Originally Posted by pricdews
Dave Vaughn has clued us in that this week will end 61:39 blue. HD DVD did better on the ratio for Harry Potter, 1.2:1 on #5 and 1.3:1 on the box set, but still a blue win. It doesn't look like the red side will win any weeks this year.
2:1 sounds even better when the #5 discs on either format are selling only a few thousand copies. There is no need for HD DVD to panic with these small numbers. They are probably happy they are getting about 40% of the software market, especially since their competitor has many more capable players in homes.
Last edited by Mr. Cinema; 12-20-07 at 10:19 AM.
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only a very foolish studio is going to expect similar attach rates between consoles and standalones. i think an estimate of 20% was made as the percentage of ps3 owners who use their device to playback bd movies. that is probably pretty accurate, and is certainly more worthwhile a benchmark than the figures thrown around here by certain individuals.
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Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
only a very foolish studio is going to expect similar attach rates between consoles and standalones. i think an estimate of 20% was made as the percentage of ps3 owners who use their device to playback bd movies. that is probably pretty accurate, and is certainly more worthwhile a benchmark than the figures thrown around here by certain individuals.
i'd be curious to know how many PS3 Blu-ray remotes have been sold. that would at least give a baseline number of PS3s playing Blu-rays.
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Originally Posted by pricdews
I've seen you state this countless times and then not respond when asked to back it up. I'll try, source?
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
This past weeks numbers is clearly quite the victory for the BDA. I'm still can't believe hd-dvd did not win the week. I figured it was a foregone conclusion with a very highly anticipated title like Boure and the BOGO sales. It must have been the staying power of Pirates 3. Also very shocking to see HP5 underperform for both formats. I wonder what Warner thinks of that.
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