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Re: Technical problems
It's there on the disc and it worked fine for me. It should be Subtitle #31 or something crazy like that and is called "English Text." It should work automatically, unless you mess with the subtitles and change it to something else...
#2827
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I still don't understand how this argument can be made. I'm not nitpicking in some crazy way here...this set just doesn't reach a really generalized bar set by other boxes with similar or lower price tags, like Lord of the Rings, Alien, Blade Runner, Avatar, or even Back to the Future, primarily by not carrying over the existing extras and allowing me to retire my DVDs. The inclusion of those extras would give two of the three prequels and all three OT films comprehensive documentaries, round out the prequel deleted scenes, and add a handful of featurettes focused on the making of the movies. Sorry, but I could live without a 90-minute reel of spoofs (a gallery of spoofs with some sort of commentary, via interviews or otherwise, would've really been better) and a feature doc about fans in costume. Those might be perfect "additional" extras on a set, but as the main course, I think that's mighty underwhelming given we're talking about Star Wars, and the set has a $90 price tag. (I also think it would've been pretty easy for Lucasfilm to include the uncompressed LD masters, which, even unrestored and in SD, would've been a great way to appease both sides of the debate, but this is more of a "wishful thinking" scenario than carrying over DVD extras.)
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I'll argue that it's better than any of the above sets (with the exception of Blade Runner...which is pretty nice) using the same arguements you do - it's BECAUSE there's nothing that smells of a "double dip" about this release that it's so good. There's little in the bonus materials (aside from the commentaries) that was on the DVDs - meaning I'm not paying $90 (I actually paid $55, but that's beside the point as YMMV) for a Blu-ray set where I already own more than 50% of the material on another format. Heck, even the movies are never the same twice. You can rant all you want about Lucas' changes to his films (and some of those rants are deserved), but you can't claim you're being scamed into buying something you already own, which was CERTAINLY the case for the LOTR set, the ALIEN set, and a significant chunk of the BTTF set.
Just another reason for people to whine and bitch.
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re: Star Wars
I think if it has to do with.."well give us all that you have at least if not new shit" but yes...Supermallet has a point I guess. I don't really remember the features on the 2004 dvds of ANH and ESB...beyond (what I thought were boringly) edited commentary and the non anamorphic unaltered films.
#2831
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Special features are useless to me, personally. I barely have time to watch the features. So that gives me an edge, I guess, in that I don't feel obligated to buy every release for those.
Ironically, the amount of money I would spend on the original movies in an unaltered or even respectful restoration/modernization is approaching ludicrous proportions, which part of the grand scheme, I'm sure. If that's his game, I'll lose and love it.
Ironically, the amount of money I would spend on the original movies in an unaltered or even respectful restoration/modernization is approaching ludicrous proportions, which part of the grand scheme, I'm sure. If that's his game, I'll lose and love it.
#2832
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re: Star Wars
Sucks that the one Documentary that I really wanted transferred "Within a Minute" is not in this new set.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.
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re: Star Wars
Sucks that the one Documentary that I really wanted transferred "Within a Minute" is not in this new set.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.
#2834
re: Star Wars
I'll argue that it's better than any of the above sets (with the exception of Blade Runner...which is pretty nice) using the same arguements you do - it's BECAUSE there's nothing that smells of a "double dip" about this release that it's so good. There's little in the bonus materials (aside from the commentaries) that was on the DVDs - meaning I'm not paying $90 (I actually paid $55, but that's beside the point as YMMV) for a Blu-ray set where I already own more than 50% of the material on another format. Heck, even the movies are never the same twice. You can rant all you want about Lucas' changes to his films (and some of those rants are deserved), but you can't claim you're being scamed into buying something you already own, which was CERTAINLY the case for the LOTR set, the ALIEN set, and a significant chunk of the BTTF set.
Oh and the Back to the Future tin I have from the U.K. is still the crown jewel of my Blu-ray collection.
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#2836
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Sucks that the one Documentary that I really wanted transferred "Within a Minute" is not in this new set.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.
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So, I popped in Star Wars today (ep. 4) to take a look. New CGI rocks here, change of sound effects there, hatch color changes, etc... Whatever...
So given all this continued tinkering, why then, have they STILL not bothered to remove the freakin' TIE Fighter matte boxes in the scene when the Falcon escapes from the Death Star!?
So given all this continued tinkering, why then, have they STILL not bothered to remove the freakin' TIE Fighter matte boxes in the scene when the Falcon escapes from the Death Star!?
#2838
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re: Star Wars
Wow, that's certainly one way of looking at it. I think if you're willing to fork out the money for an upgrade in the movie then the extras should be upgraded as well. Just my way of thinking. More features are definitely cool but the older ones should be carried over without a doubt.
#2839
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re: Star Wars
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-W.../14903/#Review
You can find complete lists of all the deleted scenes, and all the changes to the films, but it appears nobody cares enough about the spoofs to catalogue them.
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment...-complete-saga
http://collider.com/star-wars-blu-ra...scenes/113594/
#2840
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re: Star Wars
[And] for a decent period of time the only versions of T2, The Abyss, and Aliens were the directors cut.
Finally, it's not at all clear that the earlier, "altered cut only" releases of these films were at the request of the director, or simply because it took a while for studios to master seamless branching. I remember when the ultimate edition of T2 came out, I had to exchange my DVD player because it couldn't play the disc correctly. The appearance of theatrical cuts on later releases indicate that these directors haven't opposed the restoration and release of the original theatrical editions.
The point being that George Lucas is pretty much alone in that he's actively repressing the original cuts, and effectively trying to rewrite history. He's not even referring to these versions as SEs or director's cuts, but just "Star Wars."
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Fixed. The theatrical cut of Blade Runner was released on both VHS and LD well before the release of the DVD.
Those aren't director's cuts; Cameron has always stated that they are Special Edition cuts of the films. Also, all of those had the theatrical cuts released on DVD before Star Wars appeared for the first time on DVD.
Finally, it's not at all clear that the earlier, "altered cut only" releases of these films were at the request of the director, or simply because it took a while for studios to master seamless branching. I remember when the ultimate edition of T2 came out, I had to exchange my DVD player because it couldn't play the disc correctly. The appearance of theatrical cuts on later releases indicate that these directors haven't opposed the restoration and release of the original theatrical editions.
The point being that George Lucas is pretty much alone in that he's actively repressing the original cuts, and effectively trying to rewrite history. He's not even referring to these versions as SEs or director's cuts, but just "Star Wars."
Those aren't director's cuts; Cameron has always stated that they are Special Edition cuts of the films. Also, all of those had the theatrical cuts released on DVD before Star Wars appeared for the first time on DVD.
Finally, it's not at all clear that the earlier, "altered cut only" releases of these films were at the request of the director, or simply because it took a while for studios to master seamless branching. I remember when the ultimate edition of T2 came out, I had to exchange my DVD player because it couldn't play the disc correctly. The appearance of theatrical cuts on later releases indicate that these directors haven't opposed the restoration and release of the original theatrical editions.
The point being that George Lucas is pretty much alone in that he's actively repressing the original cuts, and effectively trying to rewrite history. He's not even referring to these versions as SEs or director's cuts, but just "Star Wars."
and in regards to your last comment, the difference is Lucas completely funded those films our of his own pocket, and he NOT the studio owns the films. and its his right to do what ever he wants with them, whether you or I agree with him or not. And its not like he didnt tell ppl ahead of time that he was never going to release the original cuts of the original trilogy ever again. The marketing campaign for the final release of the unaltered original trilogy made it clear this was the last time the original trilogy would ever be available for the general public. and up until the bonus discs on the 2007 dvds that was the case.
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...it's BECAUSE there's nothing that smells of a "double dip" about this release that it's so good. There's little in the bonus materials (aside from the commentaries) that was on the DVDs - meaning I'm not paying $90 for a Blu-ray set where I already own more than 50% of the material on another format. Heck, even the movies are never the same twice.
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#2845
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and in regards to your last comment, the difference is Lucas completely funded those films our of his own pocket, and he NOT the studio owns the films. and its his right to do what ever he wants with them, whether you or I agree with him or not.
And again, Lucas himself has railed against people altering films just because they own the rights, and has urged for the preservation and release of the original versions for historical and cultural purposes. Of course, that was for other people's films; he apparently doesn't see the hypocrisy when it's himself doing it to the films he owns.
And its not like he didnt tell ppl ahead of time that he was never going to release the original cuts of the original trilogy ever again. The marketing campaign for the final release of the unaltered original trilogy made it clear this was the last time the original trilogy would ever be available for the general public. and up until the bonus discs on the 2007 dvds that was the case.
True, from around 2001-2006, WB was in a rights dispute with the Blade Runner Partnership, and the original 97 DVD release was OOP, although still fairly easy to get ones hands on.
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#2846
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re: Star Wars
The big difference between the special editions, directors cuts, extended cuts, etc for the films mentioned and Star Wars is that the changes to those other movies don't suck ass like they do in Star Wars.
#2847
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re: Star Wars
And its not like he didnt tell ppl ahead of time that he was never going to release the original cuts of the original trilogy ever again. The marketing campaign for the final release of the unaltered original trilogy made it clear this was the last time the original trilogy would ever be available for the general public.
And also, how many people knew about the upcoming Special Editions? Without knowing what Lucas was planning, there was no reason to even think about something so absurd as never releasing the original versions again.
.... but for the most part it's right. The new Battle of Yavin, and the new ending to Return of the Jedi (as in, the celebrations on the other planets, not Hayden-ghost) are pretty neat actually.
But otherwise there's just so many bizarre changes that don't make a damn bit of sense.
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I really like the BD's, however I'm pretty glad I kept my DVDs around. I guess it's all part of the collection now. My only complaint about the BR is that they could have put more extra's in, I'm sure there's tons of other stuff out there.
Maybe in the next release we'll get more
Maybe in the next release we'll get more
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#2849
re: Star Wars
I'll argue that it's better than any of the above sets (with the exception of Blade Runner...which is pretty nice) using the same arguements you do - it's BECAUSE there's nothing that smells of a "double dip" about this release that it's so good. There's little in the bonus materials (aside from the commentaries) that was on the DVDs - meaning I'm not paying $90 (I actually paid $55, but that's beside the point as YMMV) for a Blu-ray set where I already own more than 50% of the material on another format. Heck, even the movies are never the same twice. You can rant all you want about Lucas' changes to his films (and some of those rants are deserved), but you can't claim you're being scamed into buying something you already own, which was CERTAINLY the case for the LOTR set, the ALIEN set, and a significant chunk of the BTTF set.
#2850
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re: Star Wars
Sorry, if this has been asked/answered before, but I might have missed in in 2800+ posts...
Is there a list of all the Spoofs in the blu-ray set? I'd eventually like to sit through all of them, but right now, I'm just kind of poking around. I thought they'd each have their own chapter point, but this is not the case.
Is there a list of all the Spoofs in the blu-ray set? I'd eventually like to sit through all of them, but right now, I'm just kind of poking around. I thought they'd each have their own chapter point, but this is not the case.
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