Star Wars
09-21-11, 12:37 PM
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09-21-11, 12:41 PM
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09-21-11, 12:49 PM
#2878
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re: Star Wars
People want the old stuff to carry over to another format because they don't want to hang onto dead formats like LD and VHS, and dying formats like DVD, nor should they have to.
You call it whining and bitching. I call it people expressing a very reasonable criticism of the set.
You call it whining and bitching. I call it people expressing a very reasonable criticism of the set.
Let's be honest, if Lucas had gone the other way and ported over all the bonus materials from the DVDs and offered nothing new you'd STILL be complaining - probably more-so, I would guess.
09-21-11, 12:49 PM
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re: Star Wars
Has anyone considered that he took the discs out before burning it? With a little patience you can slice open the shrink wrap very carfully and then put it back on.
09-21-11, 01:14 PM
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re: Star Wars
That is what I was thinking... but he probably go a bunch of nerds together and said for $$$ you can watch me burn a set. Bet he actually made money off of it.
09-21-11, 01:23 PM
#2881
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re: Star Wars
Yeah, but there's a major problem with your argument: DVDs are ALWAYS going to play on Blu-ray players...so we're not talking a dead format the way VHS and Laserdisc were. All you would have got is those bonus materials on ONE disc instead of several...I mean if it's that important to you, just move those discs over to your Blu-ray box. And if you were looking to sell your old DVD set, at least now they retain some VALUE.
Let's be honest, if Lucas had gone the other way and ported over all the bonus materials from the DVDs and offered nothing new you'd STILL be complaining - probably more-so, I would guess.
Let's be honest, if Lucas had gone the other way and ported over all the bonus materials from the DVDs and offered nothing new you'd STILL be complaining - probably more-so, I would guess.
And as for your last point, I don't recall many complaints along those lines about the LOTR Blurays, aside from how they just threw the extras in on DVDs, instead of compiling them all onto a couple of Bluray discs. But all the extra were there, and most of the complaints seemed to about the changes to the colors in the films (hmm, a pattern begins to emerge...)
09-21-11, 01:33 PM
#2882
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re: Star Wars
I don't have a problem with Lucas putting new stuff in this Bluray set, I just think most of these docs are pretty shitty, so WHAT he chose to put would be my biggest criticism.
And I'm suprised they didn't put the trailers for all 6 movies, I thought that was a given for any Bluray set?
09-21-11, 03:34 PM
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re: Star Wars
For those with kids. Dullboy pointed this out.
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09-21-11, 03:52 PM
#2884
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re: Star Wars
That baby at the beginning makes a better Yoda than the shitty puppet from The Phantom Menace. 
09-21-11, 05:08 PM
#2885
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09-21-11, 05:13 PM
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re: Star Wars
09-21-11, 06:17 PM
#2888
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re: Star Wars
And there still could've been someone complaining, but there likely would've been significantly less of it.
And as for your last point, I don't recall many complaints along those lines about the LOTR Blurays, aside from how they just threw the extras in on DVDs, instead of compiling them all onto a couple of Bluray discs. But all the extra were there, and most of the complaints seemed to about the changes to the colors in the films (hmm, a pattern begins to emerge...)
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/584...ut-2011-a.html
Part of that's probably because the existing LOTR extras were so exhaustive already. Other part is probably because the Blu-ray combines the extras from both the EE and LE DVDs, meaning that unless you bought both DVD sets, this Blu-ray set still had something new to you.
But ultimately, I think a lot of people have assumed (most likely correctly) that with The Hobbit in production, this Blu-ray set is more of just a placeholder release, for New Line to have the EEs out in the market. Any work on new extras or features (like deleted scenes, etc) will probably be reserved after the two Hobbit films have been released for some complete saga set (The Hobbit + LOTR combined).
For Lucas, he's already finished his 6-film saga, so there was a lot of expectation for this set to stand as a "definitive" release of the films.
09-21-11, 06:21 PM
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The less cynical part of me though suggests that possibly they haven't tracked down, cataloged, and transferred all the deleted scenes that exist. It's one thing for a commentator to remember a specific scene they shot, it's another to find it among all the raw elements they have.
09-21-11, 06:49 PM
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Does anyone want to talk about the Blu Rays (and not just bitch about the content/versions/changes/etc.)?
Specificly, I loved the deleted scenes. A few I'd seen before (most of the SW ones) but the ESB and ROTJ ones were totally new to me.
Regarding ROTJ, what is the deal with the old lady they filmed to be a pilot during the Death Star battle? Was it really their intention to have an old lady be a pilot? Strange.
And what about the Mon Calamari pilot? His cockpit looked very different, was he supposed to be flying one of the B-Wing fighters that eventually got cut?
I really liked the stuff where the crew on the Falcon used the turret guns during the battle. I wished they'd kept that. It's awsome that they rebuilt those sets.
I also really liked the Death Star commander (Jejjerod or whatever) having a crisis of conscience about firing on Endor. I can see why that got cut, but it was amazing. I think he's the only character in the whole fucking franchise to have any kind of ambiguity in his motivations.
The bottom line is that the second Death Star Battle could have been amazing but very different. They jettisoned this stuff (as well as the Endor bunker raid) so that they could keep the three-story-cross-cutting-Endor/Space/Throneroom-thing working smoothly, which is brilliant editing, but I envision an alternative where the space battle is depicted all by itself with no cut aways to Luke or Endor, with an EVEN BIGGER battle raging and the guy on the death star contemplating using the big gun on his own troops. That would be awsome.
Specificly, I loved the deleted scenes. A few I'd seen before (most of the SW ones) but the ESB and ROTJ ones were totally new to me.
Regarding ROTJ, what is the deal with the old lady they filmed to be a pilot during the Death Star battle? Was it really their intention to have an old lady be a pilot? Strange.
And what about the Mon Calamari pilot? His cockpit looked very different, was he supposed to be flying one of the B-Wing fighters that eventually got cut?
I really liked the stuff where the crew on the Falcon used the turret guns during the battle. I wished they'd kept that. It's awsome that they rebuilt those sets.
I also really liked the Death Star commander (Jejjerod or whatever) having a crisis of conscience about firing on Endor. I can see why that got cut, but it was amazing. I think he's the only character in the whole fucking franchise to have any kind of ambiguity in his motivations.
The bottom line is that the second Death Star Battle could have been amazing but very different. They jettisoned this stuff (as well as the Endor bunker raid) so that they could keep the three-story-cross-cutting-Endor/Space/Throneroom-thing working smoothly, which is brilliant editing, but I envision an alternative where the space battle is depicted all by itself with no cut aways to Luke or Endor, with an EVEN BIGGER battle raging and the guy on the death star contemplating using the big gun on his own troops. That would be awsome.
09-21-11, 06:57 PM
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re: Star Wars
Not quite. They could have carried over all the previous DVD extras on one BD-50, therefore, not a 15 disc set. LOL at 15 discs. Those past DVD's have 46GB of material. One extra disc is all it would take. Expecting 10 discs instead of 9 on a Star Wars release? Shocking. Not too much to ask.
The spoofs doc has a lot of material that's not even HD. It's just being upconverted. Having that doc in standard definition would have allowed "From Star Wars to Jedi" and the extras from the three LD sets to fit on the existing disc 9.
People want the old stuff to carry over to another format because they don't want to hang onto dead formats like LD and VHS, and dying formats like DVD, nor should they have to.
You call it whining and bitching. I call it people expressing a very reasonable criticism of the set.
The spoofs doc has a lot of material that's not even HD. It's just being upconverted. Having that doc in standard definition would have allowed "From Star Wars to Jedi" and the extras from the three LD sets to fit on the existing disc 9.
People want the old stuff to carry over to another format because they don't want to hang onto dead formats like LD and VHS, and dying formats like DVD, nor should they have to.
You call it whining and bitching. I call it people expressing a very reasonable criticism of the set.
edit to add: Found a site that lists all of documentaries released spoilerized for size:
Spoiler:
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09-21-11, 09:52 PM
#2892
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re: Star Wars
I think they were trying to get a group of pilots as interesting as ANH, we all know everyone's favorite was Porkins. I could see how cutting to her for a few quick reaction lines would've added some laughs, sort of an Annie Oakley kinda thing.
09-22-11, 03:29 AM
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Yeah, but there's a major problem with your argument: DVDs are ALWAYS going to play on Blu-ray players...so we're not talking a dead format the way VHS and Laserdisc were. All you would have got is those bonus materials on ONE disc instead of several...I mean if it's that important to you, just move those discs over to your Blu-ray box. And if you were looking to sell your old DVD set, at least now they retain some VALUE.
Let's be honest, if Lucas had gone the other way and ported over all the bonus materials from the DVDs and offered nothing new you'd STILL be complaining - probably more-so, I would guess.
Let's be honest, if Lucas had gone the other way and ported over all the bonus materials from the DVDs and offered nothing new you'd STILL be complaining - probably more-so, I would guess.
If Lucasfilm was looking at it from your viewpoint of DVDs playing in a BD player, how do they explain leaving behind "From Star Wars to Jedi" and the LD extras?
DVDs may always play on Blu-ray players but it's still a (slowly)dying format. There were a total of 7 Star Wars bonus DVDs, if you count everything. I was wrong on the file sizes. It's actually only a little over 39GB of material, not the 46GB I originally stated. Even better. Transferring everything over to this set would have allowed 7 discs to become one and contained everything in one comprehensive set, making it easier and more convenient for consumers/fans that don't want to hang onto everything from the past. In addition to that, discs can rot and the 2004 OT bonus DVD is long out of print and I'm sure the others are soon to follow.
Even if they had transferred the extras over, that wouldn't have hurt the value of the past DVDs, in my opinion. While DVD is dying, Blu-ray doesn't have the market penetration that DVD has and there are still enough people that haven't made the move over from DVD. I think the opportunity to resell the older stuff on Ebay, Amazon, etc., would still be there had they ported over the extras.
I will be honest. You're quite wrong about me. You seem to assume I'm one of those that complains just to complain. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Content-wise, discs 7,8, and 9 are fine, with the exception of the three hours oddly wasted on spoofs and costumed fans. On the other hand, if they had just ported over the previous extras going back to '77, I would have been fine with that as well. There isn't a whole lot left to say about Star Wars, in my opinion. That's why I had high hopes for a definitive set that included everything from the past. Those previous extras did a pretty good job of telling the story, with the exception of the lack of deleted scenes until now. The new extras are great but I wouldn't have made a peep had this set just been a cumulative collection of all previous extras, like the LOTR sets. Although, in the case of LOTR, it would have been nice if they had ported over those bonus DVDs onto BD.
Lucas really had no legitimate excuse for not carrying over the previous extras, especially when you consider that just a 10th disc(BD-50) would have allowed him to bring over everything. One additional disc. People such as yourself that wanted all-new extras only would have been satisfied(discs 7,8 and part of 9) and people who also wanted the previous extras included would have been satisfied(disc 9 and my imaginary disc 10). It would have been the best of both worlds, just by adding one more disc.
This is a false dichotomy. The choices aren't just "no old extras" or "no new extras." Other people have pointed out that the set could've had both all the old extras and all the new extras.
For Lucas, he's already finished his 6-film saga, so there was a lot of expectation for this set to stand as a "definitive" release of the films.
For Lucas, he's already finished his 6-film saga, so there was a lot of expectation for this set to stand as a "definitive" release of the films.
The extras didn't have to be an either/or situation. Star Wars is finished. At some point, and I thought that point should have been now, expecting a definitive set is not unreasonable. One more disc would have done that in terms of special features. The OOT is another story.
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09-22-11, 05:01 AM
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Thanks for the great list, mhg83. If you wouldn't mind, could you PM me as to where you located it? I have some of the things in that list and there's quite a bit more I wouldn't mind having.
In my post to Shannon, I was specifically referring to previously-released Lucasfilm home video extras, from past VHS, LD, and DVD sets. I would never expect them to release all the things on that list you posted, as nice as that would be.
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09-22-11, 06:35 AM
#2895
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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by mhg83
If you own all the previous sets with the documentaries, why not just download them off the internet and burn it to a few dvds?
If you own all the previous sets with the documentaries, why not just download them off the internet and burn it to a few dvds?
09-22-11, 07:34 AM
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re: Star Wars
Again, I'm pretty sure a BDinfo scan revealed there's more than enough space over the 9 discs to easily fit all the DVD extras. Better organization of the discs in the set would've helped greatly. I also don't know how much space discs 7 and 8's exhaustive menu system takes up. Between putting some of the film-specific content on the film discs (like the deleted scenes), cutting down the spoofs documentary into the individual chunks, this could've been done without much effort (especially if the spoofs doc is in HD, which makes little sense given much of the material is native SD).
The long and short of it is that the fans should not have to do the work involved in creating a rounded, quality product, and Star Wars should not be held to a different standard than the other franchises and films I named.
The long and short of it is that the fans should not have to do the work involved in creating a rounded, quality product, and Star Wars should not be held to a different standard than the other franchises and films I named.
09-22-11, 07:38 AM
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09-22-11, 08:26 AM
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I just transferred all the extras from the dvds (i.e. The Beginning, Empire of Dreams, etc.) and converted them to XVID files and put them all in a folder on my external hard drive. As a military guy, it’s nice to have them all together when I deploy.
09-22-11, 08:55 AM
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re: Star Wars
Pipe dream: Wouldn't it be neat if Lucasfilm used BD-Live to release additional extras for this set monthly? Like say making one new extra available a month, going through all previous DVD extras and exclusives.
09-22-11, 09:19 AM
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That would be awesome. Sadly, it seems the studios have all but abandoned doing anything cool like this with BD-Live.
