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Old 05-20-14, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
Would you buy a new Blu-ray that had the unaltered versions on it though?
Nope, not at all.

And in late 2015 when few retailers are even carrying discs, neither will most people either.

You guys can take the rumor and run. I'll enjoy my 2011 set.
Old 05-20-14, 09:11 AM
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Bought the set in 2011 and don't care about the originals being altered. Unlike some, my childhood was not ruined because of it and I am able to properly function day to day.
Good lord, I hate when a few comments on the internet make people generalize about every fan.

I own the 2011 SE BluRay, but I will be first in line for the OOT when its released along with my other friends who grew up with Star Wars. None of our childhoods were ruined, we just prefer the OOT version.
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Bought the set in 2011 and don't care about the originals being altered. Unlike some, my childhood was not ruined because of it and I am able to properly function day to day.
+1 and LOL
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Nope, not at all.

And in late 2015 when few retailers are even carrying discs, neither will most people either.

You guys can take the rumor and run. I'll enjoy my 2011 set.
I probably would but it doesn't matter I'm just glad that I have some sort of Star Wars at the highest, best format right now.
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Bought the set in 2011 and don't care about the originals being altered. Unlike some, my childhood was not ruined because of it and I am able to properly function day to day.
Gizmo, we see you around here almost every day. "Properly functioning" is debatable.
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I'm also a functioning adult whose childhood has not been ruined, but I'm just not interested in the blu releases as they currently exist, and still do not own them. If the OOT were to be released, I would buy them immediately.
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George Lucas didn't rape my childhood but he did ruin Star Wars. I would get the UOT if released but if it never comes out I will survive. If I want to watch a fun action packed fantasy franchise I now have the Harry Potter and Hobbit/Lord Of The Rings films.

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Originally Posted by Jay G.
Would you buy a new Blu-ray that had the unaltered versions on it though?
Properly remastered, restored, and color-timed? Yes. For almost any price.
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Nope, not at all.

And in late 2015 when few retailers are even carrying discs, neither will most people either.

You guys can take the rumor and run. I'll enjoy my 2011 set.
The 2011 set is a load of shit whether or not you care about the changes, but if you like them, that's fine. I don't care if you like them. I'm just as happy not watching them.

I also don't care if "most people" are no longer buying physical discs in 2015. How and why should that affect my interest in any potential OOT restoration? If your point is lack of demand will prevent any new BD release, then so what? I'll take a digital download of the originals over the 2011 versions any day. If the originals never get restored (and by the way, no matter what anyone says, at the very least the first film IS being restored) , then I'll happily move on with my life.
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I don't think the 2011 set was a load of shit, just underwhelming (like the 2004 DVD set), and especially at that price. I waited till I found a used set, but it still seemed a poor value.

There's so many things they could do, but clips of parodies? The 501st documentary? Not wanting I'm wanting from a special edition.
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The Complete set had sold 1.7 million copies by the end of 2013. 2+ years and that's it. I don't see much of a demand at the end of 2015 for these. While it would be a top seller, it will in no way be the cash cow some people have been claiming.
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Gizmo, we see you around here almost every day. "Properly functioning" is debatable.
That's very true. I didn't go around ripped Jar Jar Binks heads off toys though.
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
I don't think the 2011 set was a load of shit, just underwhelming (like the 2004 DVD set), and especially at that price. I waited till I found a used set, but it still seemed a poor value.

There's so many things they could do, but clips of parodies? The 501st documentary? Not wanting I'm wanting from a special edition.
Just to clarify, my issues with the 2011 set for the most part begin and end with the digital tinkering. That alone made the set irrelevant to me. I know some people don't mind the changes, but they absolutely ruin the films for me.

That said, on a technical level, the BD transfers are really sub-par. Tons of detail is lost as a result of the crushed blacks and the automated noise reduction that was done. So much so that if you compare a 1080p capture from the BDs to one that has been downsampled to 720p, there's barely any perceptible difference. Add to that the fact that the colors are f'd up 5 ways from Sunday, and the films barely resemble their original versions. The disappointing extras are just the icing on the cake.
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
While it would be a top seller, it will in no way be the cash cow some people have been claiming.
Who claimed that?
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
The Complete set had sold 1.7 million copies by the end of 2013. 2+ years and that's it. I don't see much of a demand at the end of 2015 for these. While it would be a top seller, it will in no way be the cash cow some people have been claiming.
I think this can be attributed with the fact that this was another "special edition" set and not the OOT. It was well publicized that the set was going to be another tinkering fest and IMO the 1.7 million customers were die hard Star War completists and causal viewers, not cinephiles. That's another side of the market that would buy a OOT box set in a heart beat along with those other 2 groups. I skipped the 2011 set but would buy the OOT.
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Originally Posted by Ringmaster
I think this can be attributed with the fact that this was another "special edition" set and not the OOT. It was well publicized that the set was going to be another tinkering fest and IMO the 1.7 million customers were die hard Star War completists and causal viewers, not cinephiles. That's another side of the market that would buy a OOT box set in a heart beat along with those other 2 groups. I skipped the 2011 set but would buy the OOT.
As sad as I am to say so, this probably isn't true. I think we sometimes overestimate just how many people there are that care about this stuff. I still think it would sell given an appropriate marketing campaign, but I'm not under some delusion that this would be the BEST SELLING HOME VIDEO RELEASE EVER!!! or anything. I don't know why it even matters.

That said, I wouldn't pay much notice to Gizmo. He has a hard on for BD sales numbers. He loves to remind us again and again and again and again that physical media is dying as if it's some big secret that only he's been made aware.
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It would sell, but I personally doubt it would even approach the numbers of the previous release. The main people who would buy it would be the Star Wars completests and the OOT holdouts. Most causal fans who've already bought it wouldn't buy it again, and physical media sells less every year.
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Originally Posted by Ringmaster
I think this can be attributed with the fact that this was another "special edition" set and not the OOT. It was well publicized that the set was going to be another tinkering fest and IMO the 1.7 million customers were die hard Star War completists and causal viewers, not cinephiles. That's another side of the market that would buy a OOT box set in a heart beat along with those other 2 groups. I skipped the 2011 set but would buy the OOT.
You only have to look at the insane prices for the DVDs with the non-anamorphic LD ports of the originals to know that there is a pent up demand for the original versions.

And again (regarding the Bluray box), the price is really high for a sub-par set. A reasonably priced set of just the holy trilogy, would move a good number of units.

Just for comparison, looking at the Amazon sales rates for the 9 disc set, and then the 1-3 and 4-6 Bluray sets:

9 disc - #308 in sales
1-3 set - #348 in sales
4-6 set - #225 in sales




(Unrelated but neat, look down on the page for the big set and there's a nice chart that shows most of the SW box sets released
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Comp...ar+wars+bluray)
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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138
Like pouring gasoline on a fire. Though I'm kind of skeptical about what Bill Hint says anyway.
Did more to spread unsubstantiated rumors regarding the release of the DVD's than any other source on the web.
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Originally Posted by stvn1974
George Lucas didn't rape my childhood but he did ruin Star Wars. I would get the UOT if released but if it never comes out I will survive. If I want to watch a fun action packed fantasy franchise I now have the Harry Potter and Hobbit/Lord Of The Rings films.
I'm waiting for the "JJ Abrams Saved My Childhood" T-shirts, Bumper Stickers, and Mugs once the new movie comes out. I guarantee you we'll see it. Maybe we'll even see George wearing one.
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And another thing regarding the economic feasibility of a remastered original versions set (I was scanning this forum and it jumped out at me) - Twin Peaks the Complete Mystery - all 20 some episodes scanned in high definition plus the movie and the deleted footage? Nothing against TP fans (I should really watch this show someday), but there's no way you can say there's enough Twin Peaks fans to make a set like this feasible but not enough SW fans to make remastering and releasing the originals feasible.
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Bought the set in 2011 and don't care about the originals being altered. Unlike some, my childhood was not ruined because of it and I am able to properly function day to day.
You don't care about not having the movies we all grew up with and love?
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I'm waiting for the "JJ Abrams Saved My Childhood" T-shirts, Bumper Stickers, and Mugs once the new movie comes out. I guarantee you we'll see it. Maybe we'll even see George wearing one.
If Abrams Star Wars film isn't a giant turd like his Star Trek films then I will buy one of each.
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I don't get the "not feasible" people. If they were to release the exact same box set that is out now but put a bonus disc of nothing but the crew raking foot prints out of the sand so they could do another take from A New Home or Return Of The Jedi 90% of the fans would buy it all again.
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Originally Posted by stvn1974
I don't get the "not feasible" people. If they were to release the exact same box set that is out now but put a bonus disc of nothing but the crew raking foot prints out of the sand so they could do another take from A New Home or Return Of The Jedi 90% of the fans would buy it all again.


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