Matthew Ackerly

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Click on the HA in GOTHAM for a very quick Two-face clip.

PacMan2006

I wonder how parents are handling taking their kids to see this? Batman is a superhero character, but I wonder if the average parent might refuse to take their kid to see Batman these days.

TimeandTide

No way I would take my 5-year old to this. Hell, I've taken my boy to Iron Man, Hulk, FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer, SM 3, and Superman Returns, but I haven't yet let him watch Batman Begins.

Although I'm sure the theater will be PACKED with stroller-pushing moms and toddlers on opening night for Nolan's latest.

Artman

Can't believe they actually released that clip... looks good. I kinda hope they don't release anymore... want a few surprises at least for the theater.

RagingBull80

That's amazing.

And I don't care if this is too dark. I'm pretty sure that Batman is a dark character. If no parents take their kids to this then I say "hooray" because I don't approve of children in movie theaters anyway. I'm fairly confident that this will be the greatest comic book movie ever and will be one of my favorites ever as well. I'm glad that Nolan is going for a good dark film rather than a cheese-fest. I think it's time for Batman to be put in the right light. I think that the character deserves it. Begins gave me hope for a properly treated comic adaptation.

PopcornTreeCt

They still haven't revealed what his face looks like. I think I'll try to spoil it for myself so I don't shit my pants in the theatre.

fumanstan

Considering the slight angle that you see of his face, it seems like that picture a few months ago of his whole face looks to be true.

Doughboy

That clip was shown at Comic-Con last year, so I knew it would be in the movie. That's cool to see the same Chicago actor in the bar who's always cast as a cop(he also interrogated Harrison Ford in The Fugitive).

Paul_SD

Because it was done with a lot wit, energy, style, and charm. I still think the TV show is the most faithful adaptation of a comic character...ever. And anyone who has familiarity with the characters material from the 50's-early 60's (which is direct antecedent for the show)will agree. If anything, the show was MORE mature than any of the comics, with material that worked on two levels simultaneously When the show was made the 'dark avenger' aspect of the character had long been replaced with something simpler and lighter.
No offense, but I'll never understand why so many fans of the character don't have enough basic familiarity with the character's history to understand or appreciate the relationship the show has to the source.
The only thing that annoys me more than people denigrating the TV show, is seeing Brett Ratner blamed for X3. He didn't write the script, nor was he the one that greenlit the film based upon the finished script. He was brought in at the 11th hour to make the best movie he could with what was laying around. Someday I would love to see fans give him credit for salvaging a train wreck that was in progress long before he hopped on board. Throw any of those other 'quality' directors into a project in similar circumstance and see how well they fare.
I've got nothing against legitimate criticism, but Ratners long been a victim of cheap, clueless shots. Ire should be directed at the ones really responsible like the producers and studio head(s).
I don't mean for this post to sound harsh...but I feel an obligation to defend things that I think are unfair and frankly, ignorant.

Chris777

one of the things that made begins appear so good to my eyes and ears (looking back) is the lack of anticipation i had for the movie. I mean yes i was excited but not even half of what im expecting from the dark knight, plus you have to factor in the dissapointing past movies..

i know im preparing myself for a big downfall as i have to remind myself that this movie can only be sooo good. I mean people half to admit this movie can only make u feel so esstatic or so good for only a short time amount of time. Its not gonna get you to a nirvana state and people are forgetting that. Well, at least message board posters are forgetting.

chris_sc77

I'm trying hard not to watch that clip or the newest trailers.

Nick Martin

I don't read the comics, mainly because I don't read any comics. Never enjoyed reading them to any degree. But, I am indeed familiar with the character beyond the Burton/Schumacher/Nolan movies. I saw every episode of that show and the film on numerous occasions, until I got sick of it.
I watched it pretty much because it was "Batman" even though I thought it was terribly cheesy and while that was appropriate for the era, looking at it now makes me cringe.

I have no opinion whatsoever on Brett Ratner. I haven't seen X3, or Red Dragon, or anything he's done beyond Rush Hour 1 and 2 (haven't even see 3) so I've got nothing bad OR good to say about him, but I do understand the connection you were making.

I don't care at all for that show. So what? Many people do, and that's fine. I'm not one of those arrogant assholes who if he doesn't understand why other people like something he puts those people down.

If I don't get the appeal, I don't get the appeal. No hidden meanings there.

If I don't like it, I won't buy it. I won't watch it. I know how important and loyal that show was to the comics and to the fans, but just because I don't appreciate it like you do, doesn't mean I'm ignorant.

Besides, I'm used to people thinking less of me because of certain things I like, therefore if you think I'm sinking to that cheap level of elitism, forget it. I don't do that sort of thing. It's wrong.

Paul_SD

Nick, just so you and others, know, when I use the term ignorant - it is not as a put down or a snobbish value judgement. It simply means lacking knowledge and experience with...which is something you readily admit (you are ignorant of much of the character's comic book history because you haven't read them). You don't have to like it and I really couldn't care less whether anyone else does. I like it, but still can only take so much of it before I get bored. It is what it is- and what it is is an eerily faithful translation of the source. You may get it, but most people I've found who slam it don't...and they use an ignorant estimation as proof of how bad it is and how much the character and fans have had to 'overcome' to get where we are today.

Nick Martin

I said I DO know much of the history, despite not reading the comics. There are other ways to learn these things besides reading comic books. The amount of back story, retrospectives that discuss the differences between eras of the character and how writers would adapt the comic to fit the times, that knowledge can be learned without reading decades' worth of individual comic books. Aside from the enormous amount of websites and books (not comics) devoted to this subject, even those Burton/Schumacher DVDs had a condensed video account.

So again, I'm not ignorant.

toddly6666

That Two-Face clip seems like it's placed at the end of the credits a la Tony Stark scene in Incredible Hulk...

mrflix

I'm thinking we will see Two Face...there is a clip in the second preview where Harvey is holding a gun and you can clearly see he is disfigured. Unless, that's his "turn" point into the villain...judging from what I've read from the spoilers.

Doc MacGyver

I don't think it stems from a lack of knowledge regarding the character's past, but rather a regret that that particular period of comics happened at all. I'm sure many people look through the rosey glasses of memory at those books from the 50s and early 60s neutered by the comics code and dumbed down into farse. A lot of people simply don't like that "interpretation". Batman was a dark, brooding and violent book when it started. It took a detour into the absurd before finally finding its voice again in the 70s.

Personally, I've made my peace with the show. It's fun in a kind of theater-of-the-absurd, surrealistic 60s way. But don't act like fans haven't had a lot to endure or overcome. In the mid-80s, Batman fans had to deal with the ridicule of the 60s show anytime they expressed affinity for the character because that is what John Q. Public knew of the character. Tim Burton changed that (even though the movie hasn't aged very well), and it looked like the character was headed into recovery of his reputation in the cultural zeitgeist. Then came Joel Shumacher and he undid the whole thing.

Liking the 60s show is fine. I still find myself laughing at that movie from time to time. But calling fans out who get a bad taste in their mouth recalling what the aftereffect of that show was in terms of global reputation for the character is a little ridiculous. It's obvious that the memory and legacy of that show outlived the (not-at-all) brief (enough) period in the "Golden Age" when Batman was dragged from the his Bob Kane, torturend vigilante struggling to maintain his humanity while adopting the guise of evil in order to fight it... to the grinning, punning, communist-and-alien fighting goofy G-man who kept a young boy in spandex.

Think of it not so much as "ignoring history" as "Choosing to ignore the painful parts"... you know, like the Germans with 1933-1945 or we Americans with... well, Native Americans, Slavery, Mexican-American War... NOW in a few years...

Accentuate the positive, fellow Bat-fan. That period of time was a low point for the character, and if you find me someone under 60 who prefers that lighter, goofier, more family-friendly Batman... I'd be more than happy to introduce myself and kick them in the taint.



-Doc

Doughboy

Two-Face definitely has more than a cameo. From all the non-spoiler interviews I've read, he's key to the plot. And considering the movie clocks in at 152 minutes, he'll probably get a decent amount of screentime(unlike Venom in Spider-Man 3).

Matthew Ackerly

I agree, I think he figures in heavily during the third act. Not just a glimpse at the final moments.

islandclaws

That clip looked cool, but that's the last of anything I'm going to watch. I've only seen the two trailers and this clip so far, and I plan to avoid anything else I can until the film comes out. I really don't want to spoil anything, so I'll wait. Still, I really like what I've seen so far.

harrydoyle

What a teaser, they've done a pretty good job of not spoiling TOO much, which I'm glad with all the clips they've released.

Paul_SD

Like it or not, the 60's show was a big contributor to the hype juggernaut of the first movie...whose release hit within a nearly perfect 20 year nostalgia cycle.
In my experience, the fans are the ones who feel this need to be ashamed of the show. Regular Joes seem to remember it fondly. Comic book fans consistently feel a need to make excuses for it, which just strikes me as silly and hyper-sensitive.
I'd say the biggest hurdle the character has had to ever overcome are the first four movies. And yes, I don't find much to distinguish between Burtons efforts and Schumachers (although the first three are merely weak, while the last is truly abysmal).

Doc MacGyver

In this, my friend, we are in total and complete agreement.



-Doc

Nick Martin

I never mentioned anything about shame, and I'm not ashamed of it. I just don't like it. I think it's just too cheesy and over-the-top, and while that may have been the point of it and is still beloved because of and/or in spite of that, that doesn't mean everyone has to like it. I also don't give a shit about the original Star Trek series, but love the movies and saw the other shows (love DS9, liked TNG, barely tolerated Voyager, never bothered with Enterprise) and because of that, many people would say I'm not a 'true' fan or don't fully understand Trek or some other 'you're not really one of us' horseshit, as if I'm supposed to get some kind of fan approval. Not really looking to please anyone with that stuff.

This Batman TV show issue stinks of the same thing. People have different tastes, and to imply that only people who don't understand it are the ones who don't like it is simply untrue.

While I did like the first three, Batman & Robin stands as the worst movie I have ever seen.

Artman

Even though we're guaranteed another movie with him as the primary villain, I still think that's a mistake. It's Spidey 3 all over again. So now we have Scarecrow, Joker, Two-Face, the various crime bosses... can they fit anything else into the movie?