The Dark Knight (Batman Begins 2) Discussion - Part 2
07-16-08, 12:19 PM
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Yup, the most recent negative proclaims it's the worst Batman yet, including Batman and Robin.
Not a movie spoiler:
Not a movie spoiler:
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07-16-08, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brack
07-16-08, 12:34 PM
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Rex Reed went from calling Batman Begins "this is a movie for morons" to calling The Dark Knight "insurmountable fun".. I'm not a fan of the guy but that is kind of interesting. The other New York Observer guy, Andrew Sarris, also gave it a rave review. The New York Daily News also gave it kudos.
07-16-08, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
You just described the comic book joker to a T (smeared face paint aside).
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I can understand fans wishing it weren't so, but this Joker hasn't been seen before.
07-16-08, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brack
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07-16-08, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by grrr
The comic book Joker is far more Mark Hamill than Heath Ledger. There are a few "adult" versions of the Joker in graphic novels, but even the Miller/Moore versions of the Joker pale in comparison to the viciousness of Ledger's character.
I can understand fans wishing it weren't so, but this Joker hasn't been seen before.
I can understand fans wishing it weren't so, but this Joker hasn't been seen before.
I never found past Jokers to be so intimidating.
07-16-08, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by grrr
The comic book Joker is far more Mark Hamill than Heath Ledger. There are a few "adult" versions of the Joker in graphic novels, but even the Miller/Moore versions of the Joker pale in comparison to the viciousness of Ledger's character.
I can understand fans wishing it weren't so, but this Joker hasn't been seen before.
I can understand fans wishing it weren't so, but this Joker hasn't been seen before.
See: No Man's Land
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07-16-08, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RichC2
Rex Reed went from calling Batman Begins "this is a movie for morons" to calling The Dark Knight "insurmountable fun".. I'm not a fan of the guy but that is kind of interesting.
That and the fact that he thinks Begins is the worst of them all, even Batman & Robin. There's no defending that moronic stance.
07-16-08, 01:39 PM
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Eh to each their own. Another negative review from New York (The New York Press, Armond White - who seems to hate any semi-serious comic book movie, or anything that isn't satirical). This one is noteable to me for one reason:
The Black Dahlia? Really? He must be proud that his superior intellect let him enjoy that one on a level invisible to just about everybody else.
As in Memento, Nolan shows rudimentary craft; his zeitgeist filmmaking—morose, obsessive, fussily executed yet emotionally unsatisfying—will only impress anyone who hasn’t seen De Palma’s genuinely, politically serious crime-fighter movie, The Black Dahlia.
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07-16-08, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
See: No Man's Land
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Yeah I gotta agree here. I read the Novelization of NML and Joker was a true Fucker. Just ask Jim Gordon....
Of the few Joker stories I've read over the years he's been a truly scary character.
07-16-08, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by grrr
Not close. See the film.
Stop telling me my business, noob. My point is that the Joker's portrayal in this film is exactly the image I had in my head from reading 20 years of Batman comics. If it's something entirely alien to YOUR impression of the Joker, that's fine. I'm simply stating that it isn't the case for us all, savvy?
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07-16-08, 02:27 PM
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Over on HTF there's a theory that since the negative reviews were mostly coming from New York-based critics only, that it's a slight case of bias against the film considering Batman and Gotham City were New York-inspired. Since the film was made in Chicago instead, it may have left them with a bit of bitterness. There may be nothing to that theory, but maybe there is...?
07-16-08, 02:32 PM
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"Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight" on History channel 7/16
i think this was mentioned somewhere but in case you didn't know there seems to be a nice special on the History Channel tonight at 9pm EST.
07-16-08, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scott1598
i think this was mentioned somewhere but in case you didn't know there seems to be a nice special on the History Channel tonight at 9pm EST.
07-16-08, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Cool, thanks for the heads up!
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07-16-08, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scott1598
i think this was mentioned somewhere but in case you didn't know there seems to be a nice special on the History Channel tonight at 9pm EST.
07-16-08, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
Over on HTF there's a theory that since the negative reviews were mostly coming from New York-based critics only, that it's a slight case of bias against the film considering Batman and Gotham City were New York-inspired. Since the film was made in Chicago instead, it may have left them with a bit of bitterness. There may be nothing to that theory, but maybe there is...?
I was wondering this myself... then I remembered that New Yorkers are, by and large, dicks.
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07-16-08, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
I was wondering this myself... then I remembered that New Yorkers are, by and large, dicks.
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07-16-08, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
But they're so heroic in the Spider-Man movies!
Winner 
