The Dark Knight (Batman Begins 2) Discussion - Part 2
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Originally Posted by Al Padrino
I wasn't suggesting Nolan outright copped anything from that scene. I just saw some similarities that made me think of the Burton's movie. But hey whatever, put words into my mouth and load up on the emoticons if that's your bag.
But hey whatever, read too much into it if that's your bag.
Or: Why so serious?
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Originally Posted by SuperBatMan
Anyways, anyone still giggle at the 'I wanna be able to turn my head.' reason Bruce gives to Fox for a new suit? Such an awesome inside joke, and I think I might have been the only one in the theater that giggled after he said it.
But yeah, I laughed.
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After all the hype, best superhero movie ever!
Here's what I thought doesn't get equal respect:
1. If Ledger had not died, I would think that Ledger and Eckhart did an equally amazing job. Just because the character of "The Joker" has more juicy lines and more funny behavior, I don't think it should take away from Eckhart's Dent/Two-Face. The Oscars will probably have to give the award to Ledger, who certainly deserves it, but I think Eckhart should share it. I thought the movie was extremely disturbing more to Eckhart's character than Ledger's character. Excellent writing to make one sympathize and understand both villains - Joker and Two-Face.
2. The editing/action scenes were excellently filmed. I hate the Bourne movies with the shaky-cam, and I wasn't crazy about the fast-cut scenes in Batman Begins, but there is a difference in the way The Dark Knight was filmed this time. Still quick cut, but every time Batman threw a punch, you can see how he puts like an extra "oomph" or "cranking up his fist" before hitting the person. It's not the usual Hollywood punch - it's like Batman really put an extra amount of strength in his wind-up punch. The punches were thrown in a way which reminded me of why the UK tends to censor scenes of head-butts in films - very violent and very painful looking.
3. The gadgetry in this movie was awesome! I think the best filmed scene in the whole film was the Hong Kong scene - from the jump off the roof - to the awsome light-flickering balloon slowly raising high in the air - until the air hook. If that thing really exists, that's awesome. Beats the hell out of any recent James Bond film...and the Bat-Cycle? Holy shit - awesome vehicle - especially how it quickly rode up and backed up down the wall of a building.
4. I didn't notice any CGI, except for the scene of Eckhart on fire. In movies today, there is nothing better than visually amazing movies with little or no use of CGI. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull? Give me a break. That's a CGI film. The Dark Knight should prove to the world that you don't need obvious CGI to make a good action movie.
Here's what I thought doesn't get equal respect:
1. If Ledger had not died, I would think that Ledger and Eckhart did an equally amazing job. Just because the character of "The Joker" has more juicy lines and more funny behavior, I don't think it should take away from Eckhart's Dent/Two-Face. The Oscars will probably have to give the award to Ledger, who certainly deserves it, but I think Eckhart should share it. I thought the movie was extremely disturbing more to Eckhart's character than Ledger's character. Excellent writing to make one sympathize and understand both villains - Joker and Two-Face.
2. The editing/action scenes were excellently filmed. I hate the Bourne movies with the shaky-cam, and I wasn't crazy about the fast-cut scenes in Batman Begins, but there is a difference in the way The Dark Knight was filmed this time. Still quick cut, but every time Batman threw a punch, you can see how he puts like an extra "oomph" or "cranking up his fist" before hitting the person. It's not the usual Hollywood punch - it's like Batman really put an extra amount of strength in his wind-up punch. The punches were thrown in a way which reminded me of why the UK tends to censor scenes of head-butts in films - very violent and very painful looking.
3. The gadgetry in this movie was awesome! I think the best filmed scene in the whole film was the Hong Kong scene - from the jump off the roof - to the awsome light-flickering balloon slowly raising high in the air - until the air hook. If that thing really exists, that's awesome. Beats the hell out of any recent James Bond film...and the Bat-Cycle? Holy shit - awesome vehicle - especially how it quickly rode up and backed up down the wall of a building.
4. I didn't notice any CGI, except for the scene of Eckhart on fire. In movies today, there is nothing better than visually amazing movies with little or no use of CGI. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull? Give me a break. That's a CGI film. The Dark Knight should prove to the world that you don't need obvious CGI to make a good action movie.
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe
Should I stay through the credits?
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I was pleased with the joker being left hanging, it was a nice visual analogy to the playing card with one character upright and the other upside down, and the whole batman / joker are the same but on opposite ends, well done
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Originally Posted by CloverClover
I was pleased with the joker being left hanging, it was a nice visual analogy to the playing card with one character upright and the other upside down, and the whole batman / joker are the same but on opposite ends, well done
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I live in Chicago and they filmed several scenes right in my neighborhood. the River North area (just north of the Loop). Besides the major landmarks you can see:
1.) Gene and Georgettis - old school steak place
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sa...num=1&ct=image
2.) Chase Bank location not far from there:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sa...num=1&ct=image
I remember the day they were filming the scene
Very cool to see it on the screen.
1.) Gene and Georgettis - old school steak place
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sa...num=1&ct=image
2.) Chase Bank location not far from there:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sa...num=1&ct=image
I remember the day they were filming the scene
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#1385
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Originally Posted by Cornelius1047
The aforementioned scene and some other stuff actually did remind me of Tim Burton's Batman. I was just joking. And I sure as hell didn't put words in your mouth. In fact, if anything, I put words in Heath Ledger's mouth.
But hey whatever, read too much into it if that's your bag.
Or: Why so serious?
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But hey whatever, read too much into it if that's your bag.
Or: Why so serious?
K
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I do take offense, sir! But there was only 2 smiles. The rolling of the eyes was, I thought, obviously directed at Christopher and Jonathan Nolan. Of course, I could see how it might be considered directed elsewhere.
<--- This one, however, just makes me giggle.
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Originally Posted by toddly6666
4. I didn't notice any CGI, except for the scene of Eckhart on fire.
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Originally Posted by Mondo Kane
The chopper crash in the street was a little fakey. Everything else, gold.
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...But looked believable!
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Originally Posted by toddly6666
1. If Ledger had not died, I would think that Ledger and Eckhart did an equally amazing job. Just because the character of "The Joker" has more juicy lines and more funny behavior, I don't think it should take away from Eckhart's Dent/Two-Face. The Oscars will probably have to give the award to Ledger, who certainly deserves it, but I think Eckhart should share it. I thought the movie was extremely disturbing more to Eckhart's character than Ledger's character. Excellent writing to make one sympathize and understand both villains - Joker and Two-Face.
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Originally Posted by Patman
Only if you enjoy listening to musical scores, and reading the credits. Otherwise, no additional footage is present at the end of the credits (unlike Iron Man, which did have additional footage at the end of the credits).
I almost always stay during credits post credit material or not. My life sucks that much. But I digress....
Anyway, I did notice people staying through "Dedicated to..." then leaving after that was done.
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Pardon me if this is a really dumb question, but there was one part of the movie that confused me. Joker has just given Batman the locations of Rachel and Dent. Batman leaves the scene, saying he's going after Rachel, but then he ends up saving Dent. What gives?
1) Did Joker give Batman opposite locations, knowing he'd go after Rachel, but in fact sending him to Dent?
2) What was the set-up of this particular scheme? This confused me as well. Sure, Batman can only go rescue one of the vics, but why can't the police go after (and save) the other at the same time?
Can anyone shed some light for me?
1) Did Joker give Batman opposite locations, knowing he'd go after Rachel, but in fact sending him to Dent?
2) What was the set-up of this particular scheme? This confused me as well. Sure, Batman can only go rescue one of the vics, but why can't the police go after (and save) the other at the same time?
Can anyone shed some light for me?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flix
Pardon me if this is a really dumb question, but there was one part of the movie that confused me. Joker has just given Batman the locations of Rachel and Dent. Batman leaves the scene, saying he's going after Rachel, but then he ends up saving Dent. What gives?
1) Did Joker give Batman opposite locations, knowing he'd go after Rachel, but in fact sending him to Dent?
2) What was the set-up of this particular scheme? This confused me as well. Sure, Batman can only go rescue one of the vics, but why can't the police go after (and save) the other at the same time?
Can anyone shed some light for me?
1) Did Joker give Batman opposite locations, knowing he'd go after Rachel, but in fact sending him to Dent?
2) What was the set-up of this particular scheme? This confused me as well. Sure, Batman can only go rescue one of the vics, but why can't the police go after (and save) the other at the same time?
Can anyone shed some light for me?
So now you're stuck with believing either he switched them for the hell of it, or when Batman risked his life like a madman to save Rachel, this is reason enough for Joker to believe he would pick her thus switching it on purpose.
2)This one is easier as Jokers main intent was to keep Dent alive and turn him to the dark side, which he alludes to in his final speech "gravity, push... etc.," also only one could be saved because Batman would race like a bat out of hell to save one, the police on the other hand being to slow or incompetent to get there in time for the other.
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
Favorite moment of the movie for me was
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