kk8

ZZZZZzzzzz what a snooze fest.

RocShemp

Dude, you didn't do anything major. You just forgot to put on that portion of your post. I think we've all taken this way out of proportion.

Sonic

This movie is right up there with X-Men The Last Stand.

mhg83

Not sure if thats sarcasm or not but i enjoyed last stand. It seems a lot of posters on here hate the film. What was so wrong with it? It seemed to hold up well with the other x-men films.

Solid Snake

it was a huge clusterfuck of a story and a "LOOK SHE/HE IS IN THE FILM TOO!!" (what was the point of having Angel in the film again) kind of film too...plus...it was directed by Brett Ratner (who's directing form is not meant for a franchise recognized for cool solid stories). The whole film was a horrible tease to so many good stories to tackle and instead..it did a shit story. Also....my personal nitpick was not having Colossus fighting Juggernaut, besides it sucking as well.

Nesbit

I'm not a huge xmen fan and only actively read comic books for 6 months in the mid 90's and it was still a huge slap in the face to me. The Phoenix Saga is THE xmen tale. Dark Phoenix should not be Magneto's second in comand in an hour and a half long film. It'd be like filming the Gospels and having Jesus as a side character.

Bandit03

I've been staying away from spoilers (for the most part) but with the few mutants I've seen mentioned here, various news stories and the trailers it's starting to sound like one big mutant clusterf***; for better or worse.

Son of Odin

wolverine will be a turkey at the box office. that's what Fox gets for their nazi-like control over their films. no good director wants to work for them directly. Fox always has to have total creative control, they hire a director to just sit in the chair and say "roll" and "cut". their only big hit in the last few years has been alvin and the chipmunks. Fox deserves this. marvel needs to do everything possible to get these properties back. even if they have to give a cut of the profit to them for every film, do it.

DJariya

I know film piracy can never be stopped and this incomplete version is already spreading across the net like wild fire, but it just pisses me off when some jackass does this. You can criticize FOX all you want for making alot of turkeys recently (a few which I have seen), but movies good or bad create jobs for people not only in front of the camera, but behind the scenes as well. Shit like this is IMO a slap in the face to everyone who devoted lots of man hours to making it. And I'm not talking Tom Rothman or any of the suits at FOX who are already paid millions of dollars annually. I'm talking about the writers/producers and all the production crew who don't have steady 9-5 jobs and are basically freelancers and have to wait until the next movie gets green lit in order to have a job.

tylergfoster

This is true, but Wolverine is already finished. The only person who's going to lose their job over this is the guy who let it leak all over the internet. It's not like the next time Gavin Hood goes to make a film, they'll go, "oh, but you directed that movie that showed up online a month before release. Sorry!" and not hire him. As far as I'm concerned, their Slumdog Millionaire recall and Wolverine leaking are bad karma for all the cinematic turds they've unleashed recently.As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't stick to its guns. It introduces a bunch of twists and then undoes all of them one by one all the way past the end credits.

Lara Means

I actually just finished watching the workprint. I have to agree with the people who disliked the film. It has serious issues. The story is not engaging at all. There were times I actually couldnt believe how bored I was. It reminded me a lot of the time I had to sit through Ultraviolet.

DJariya

I know it's already finished, but alot of money went into making it and promoting it. I know the people who choose to download this are very small, but that's still alot of money lost from those people who watch it now and think it sucks and won't pay to see it in the theatre next month even though it's had better post production work on it. I think this scenario could be compared to if a popular mainstream recording artist like U2 is preparing to release a new album and someone in the mixing studio steals it and uploads it on the net where everyone can download it for free. If that were to happen, noone would buy their album or pay for it off Itunes and IMO that would basically be a slap in the face to them and everyone who worked so hard behind the scenes.

mdc3000

^That scenario happens all the time - I can remember a few albums that leaked before they were properly mixed and they usually go on to sell the same amount of records they would have otherwise...(I can't think of an exact example at this moment...)

I think the issue here is that people are reviewing and dismissing something that isn't finished and may change drastically (whereas a song leaked from the studio, despite production tweaks, will by and large be the same thing when released). Awkward edits, bad sound effects etc. can go a long way to making a film uninteresting and dull - but these are things they're still going to get right before it hits theatres. It's a weird situation and we'll have to wait until the weekend of May 1 to see if it does have an adverse effect... Hopefully even those who didn't dig the workprint they watched will still show up to see the changes - that would be interesting to me anyhow as a film lover to see the differences (if I were to watch that workprint). Either way, I'll be there on May 1.

Oh yeah, I also picked up the Wolverine and Gambit slurpee cups yesterday - cool. The Iron Man ones from last year are pretty much what I drink out of 90% of the time, so I'm glad to have some more decent ones.

SmackDaddy

I'm gonna have to agree with that.

tylergfoster

Also true, but pretty much every movie in the world is pirated at some point or another, and people who don't want to pay to see movies in theatres generally were never going to see them. The majority of the opinions from non-hardcore comic book fans I've seen on the web were positive, and most of them wanted to see the final version with all the effects in place. It will probably negatively affect the picture's business, but I wouldn't expect the difference to be dramatic.

stingermck

Manny Perry hates you guys

islandclaws

I just read a post on IMDB where a guy said that FOX tracked his torrent download of the film and their attorneys emailed the guy and told him to delete the files. Not sure if that's b.s. or not, but still pretty freaky.

Also, once again: wow, does this movie suck.

LickTheABCs

quoted for truth.

RichC2

Potentially.

Considering a full, uncut version of Taken in dvd quality (it was, afterall, ripped from a dvd) was out on the 'net around October 2008 and has, thus far, pulled nearly $140m in the US (where it opened in Jan '09) kind of suggests that it won't get past a certain level of saturation in the general public. I know three people who were very well aware of the Wolverine rip that refuse to watch it because it is incomplete (as I told somebody, it's a collectors item, not the actual movie.)

Also, this is a similar situation that happened with Hulk in 2003. An advertising company leaked a workprint of that film (similarly missing effects) weeks before it was released in theaters and it was absolutely destroyed via word of mouth before it opened. It still opened to $62m despite the horrendous wom and backlash. Sure it tanked in its second weekend, but that would have happened regardless.

Similarly, Radiohead released In Rainbows as a digital download in late 2007 for a cost of "Whatever you see fit", it was later released to retail stores as a regular CD where it sold 122,000 copies in its first week. Though a better example would be NIN's The Slip, which I haven't seen sales figure for.

Seantn

I bet Wolverine has already been downloaded more times in the three days since its release than Taken was downloaded since October of 2008 up until its US release in January 2009. Plus, this could cut into worldwide box office, not just US. The Taken DVD was released after it had made money in other parts of the world via a theatrical release. Wolverine is a much higher profile film than some film starring Liam Neeson and Maggie Grace.

I'm sure Wolverine will still make money, but it's now impossible to know if it would have made more or not. However, it does give Fox a very easy 'out' if the movie bombs. There's no doubt that they'll blame it on the workprint being leaked. They won't have to admit that it might have been because of the movie not being very good (I haven't seen it...I just don't think it looks that good)

RichC2

I meant to make note that Wolverine is a much higher profile flick.

But yes, it gives them an out, but the second weekend drop is what makes/breaks it. It will open fairly strongly.

And I agree, the trailer was pretty lame.

mhg83

If I end up watching the workprint and thinks it sucks, I'll buy a ticket to wolverine but see a different film when it comes out. That way I wont feel bad about watching the w.p.

DJariya

Do yourself a favor, don't even watch the work print and spend the money and see it the way it was meant to be seen. Then you won't need to feel guilty for watching something that was stolen.

islandclaws

Yes, don't watch the workprint like I did... because then you'll have a HARD time justifying the use of your hard-earned money on this turd.

Michael Ballack

It wasn't as bad as X3.