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Old 04-03-09, 06:07 PM
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I'm still going to pay to watch the final product in theaters because I feel that it deserves a fair shake, but that workprint was FAR worse than anything in X3.
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With every post, this sounds more and more like a Netflix title
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With every post, this sounds more and more like a Netflix title
Oh it isn't that bad for crying out loud... seriously. It met my modest expectations, same with X3. I guess if you hated X3 that much you won't like this one either... but it seems to me it's because of changes to the comic that people are pissed about...
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I'm sure Wolverine will still make money, but it's now impossible to know if it would have made more or not. However, it does give Fox a very easy 'out' if the movie bombs. There's no doubt that they'll blame it on the workprint being leaked. They won't have to admit that it might have been because of the movie not being very good (I haven't seen it...I just don't think it looks that good)
I'm glad someone brought this up - the idea that maybe someone inside FOX leaked the movie because it's, in fact, not very good was the first thing I thought when I heard the workprint was available online.

It gives FOX free publicity for the movie, plus an "out" (as the above poster noted) if the box office is below expectations. But there's a problem here: the FBI is now investigating. If I were them, I'd look at FOX first, and others later. If the studio was involved in any way, shape or form, I hope they get publically lambasted (and, of course, criminally charged). Of course, that's all speculation on my part - but someone needed to say it.
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Fox claims it's fine to download and review Wolverine?!

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Spoiler:
Fox has issued the following press release in response to Roger Friedman's idiotic review of the leaked WOLVERINE workprint.

We've just been made aware that Roger Friedman, a freelance columnist who writes Fox 411 on Foxnews.com - an entirely separate company from 20th Century Fox - watched on the internet and reviewed a stolen and unfinished version of X-Men Orgins: Wolverine. This behavior is reprehensible and we condemn this act categorically - whether the review is good or bad.

Friedman's review has been removed from Foxnews.com - which is heartening, but I agree with Moriarty that this is not enough. Friedman has admitted to breaking the law. If 20th Century Fox - and the FBI - are serious about nailing the perpetrator(s) of this leak, then Friedman must be fired immediately for downloading and reviewing stolen material. There's no wiggle room here. Allowing Friedman to keep his job sends a message that certain Fox employees - i.e. those who generate decent web traffic - are above the law in this matter. This is unacceptable. And I trust that Fox - which has thus far behaved intelligently in response to this leak - will do the right thing.



Hey folks, Harry here... Wow - didn't see this one coming! Moriarty just rang me up spitting and pissing mad about this scenario. You see, the very real and transparent shill, Roger Friedman of FOX NEWS, has written a piece where he talks about downloading and watching a 95% finished WOLVERINE - which apparently nobody else in the world has seen. Ahem. He goes on to declare, "It’s miles easier to understand than "The Dark Knight," and tremendously more emotional." and "I am, in fact, amazed about how great "Wolverine" turned out. It exceeds expectations at every turn." and even goes so far as to say he was going to download and catch up with Paramount's "I LOVE YOU, MAN" next because it was so much easier than going out in the rain.

Now - What's interesting about all of this is that FOX has a very rigid history on pursuing employees that brazenly break the rules. Like when they went after Memflix for reviewing one of their films on AICN - and got him fired. How is this situation any different FOX?

I mean, if FOX doesn't go after Roger Friedman - aren't they basically telling the entire world... It's ok?

I understand that this is damage control - the overwhelming word of mouth from this print is wretched. I've heard from fans that what they do to Ryan Reynolds' DEADPOOL is so abhorrent, that they wanted to know exactly who was responsible so they could KILL them. It was a jocular bit of hyperbole, I assure you - but the emotion was solid and real. They were pissed. I've seen fans declare, "Worse than X3" and I've seen them say, "Slightly better than X3".

Fox needed Positive word of mouth.

Now - I've been talking to John Palermo, one of the producers on the film - ever since this story broke. The word I've gotten is that the print you can see online is several months old - and is in fact the version of the film that drove FOX to spend untold millions on a couple of weeks of additional shoots. That things have been edited out and that even with that - the film now runs 20 minutes longer than that which you see online. That there was stuff they didn't like and they took aggressive and costly steps to correct that.

If they wanted Roger to write a piece to fluff up WOLVERINE - why not show him the real version of the film?

Part of the reason that I decided not to run reviews on AICN of WOLVERINE based on the work print was the knowledge that this is a 3-4 month old print - that had 2-3 weeks of reshoots and millions of work put into it to make it better, because they were not happy with that version. The only point in seeing that workprint is as a comparison to the finished version, to see the process in which the Producers and Director and Studio went through to try and make WOLVERINE as good as it could be.

It's also why I don't run script reviews after the test screening process, what's the point? Beyond the moral issues - it is old information. Script reviews when the script breaks prior to or during filming? Fair game. Test Screenings provide information on the state of the film in question - the day & night in which they screened it. But what is online is a snapshot from months ago of a film with reportedly dire issues, which they allegedly took fairly intense steps to correct.

And I did the right thing of discussing this with the producers and that is the proper way to follow up this kind of story.

But having Fox shill Roger Friedman tell everyone about this great new way to see movies for free at your home - and how all 10 of the top Box Office films right now can be seen comfortably and happily in your home, well that's criminally irresponsible and if I were FOX - Roger Friedman would be joining millions of Americans that have lost their jobs - only this time - it would be deservedly lost.

SO - what do you think of Roger Friedman's piece? WOLVERINE? FOX's policy?


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40652
-Friedman has some balls to download and review the workprint! He should get fired for that.
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Totally should get fired for that. If he doesn't, than this would only further question Fox's methods more recently...whatever happened to a Fox that gave a damn?
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Totally should get fired for that. If he doesn't, than this would only further question Fox's methods more recently...whatever happened to a Fox that gave a damn?
To paraphrase Jason Lee's character from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, "Then they made Garfield and everything went to hell."
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Totally should get fired for that. If he doesn't, than this would only further question Fox's methods more recently...whatever happened to a Fox that gave a damn?
According to this (although I've heard nothing official), he was fired on Friday.

News Corp like all major Hollywood studios takes the crime of piracy very seriously. Nor will the Fox parent company tolerate it if its employees don't. Especially after a stolen, early and unfinished work print of 20th Century Fox's big summer blockbuster X-Men Origins: Wolverine was put onto the Internet illegally this week in a major scandal that the FBI is now investigating. So there was universal shock on Friday when long-time "Fox 411" freelance columnist Roger Friedman wrote what I'm told his bosses felt was a blatant promotion of piracy on his Fox News web outlet. Besides writing a review from watching the purloined print of Wolverine, Friedman posted, “I did find the whole top 10 [movies in theaters], plus TV shows, commercials, videos, everything, all streaming away. It took really less than seconds to start playing it all right onto my computer. I could have downloaded all of it but really, who has the time or the room? Later tonight I may finally catch up with Paul Rudd in I Love You, Man. It’s so much easier than going out in the rain!” I'm told that Fox News' actions were swift and severe. First, Roger Ailes, who overseas Fox News, deleted the offending post after he was contacted by 20th Century Fox about it. And then Ailes fired Friedman as a freelance Fox News entertainment writer. I hear the move was done with the full support of News Corp. "He promoted piracy. He basically suggested that viewing a stolen film is OK, which is absolutely intolerable. So we fired him," a source told me Saturday. "Fox News acted promptly on all fronts."
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^ sad thing is, he'll probably be the only person fired for that shitty film.
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I hear it's an extraordinarily mediocre movie. The best I've heard people say about it is that it's "kinda average". The word around town is that the comics nerds will be pissed about the changes to several of the characters. Legend has it that the dialogue is stilted and flat, the actions scenes perfunctory, and that the plot is slim-to-nonexistent. And most of all, the whispers around the water cooler indicate that the movie is smack dab in X3 territory, except even *duller*.

That's what I hear, anyhow. Too bad. If the nerds needed more fuel for their anti-Fox fire, this would definitely be Exhibit A.
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It hurts me to hear a character like
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Deadpool get fucked over like that...so much for his Solo film...*sigh*
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Well,
Spoiler:
Elektra
came back (of course the same thing happened in the comics although through different circumstances) and got a solo film. And
Spoiler:
Deadpool
has gone through much worse than a simple
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throat slice
so a solo film isn't necessarily out of the question.
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I don't know how we can
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Deadpool back after all that shit that he is now, now if it was someone else...maybe (and that's really pushing it). The Merc with Mouth we know of is not the Merc with a Mouth now after what the film does to him. I don't even know how the fuck you try to fix that change.
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Well the powers will obviously have to be dropped with the exception of the healing factor. If not, all we have is Mimic with a name change. He needs to cut his mouth open, get a mask, lose the claws, get some swords, lots of guns and...

Shit, they really fucked him up. I hope the reshoots totally changed them into two very different characters cos it is unbelievable how much they managed to get wrong in one single character.
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That is what I hope the reshoots did...
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making him and Weapon XI two different characters...god, I can only hope so far.
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Oh man this is sounding bad. I already decided I was skipping this one anyway. I'm sure it will do at least as well as Van Helsing.
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So are we to assume that Weapon XI at the end was Wade/Deadpool? That's not correct based off the Origins comics. Weapon XI should have his powers but isn't the same person.
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So wait they have a comic adapt of that?
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so....the Merc with The Mouth isn't Weapon XI? At least in that adaptation...so maybe the reshoots did fix what we all feared? Though if they did fuck up Deadpool...they could really fucking go left wing and do what 'Pool does in his comics...make a crazy, hilarious, and cool introduction to the audience (one in which he totally disregards continuity)...should he ever have a solo film
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
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Deadpool
has gone through much worse than a simple
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so a solo film isn't necessarily out of the question.
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Surely this:
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...was meant to indicate a full beheading? Either way the ending fight scene will be surely re-cut by the time the movie hits theaters.
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Surely this:
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...was meant to indicate a full beheading? Either way the ending fight scene will be surely re-cut by the time the movie hits theaters.
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See my post above. Are we sure the movie wants us to assume that was Deadpool at the end? If they're trying to stay true to the comics, it definitely shouldn't have been. Weapon XI in the comics was Wolverine's son.
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Thank god FOX didn't jump in to WATCHMEN until post-production. With all these negative reports about FOX's WOLVERINE, I'm so happy that Watchmen wasn't screwed up by them.

So what's the list now of cool superheroes/supervillains that got screwed by their movie versions:

Deadpool ?
Ghost Rider
Elektra
Catwoman (Halle Berry, not Michelle Pheiffer)
The Spirit & Octopus
Punisher
Galactus
Dr. Doom
Venom
Robin
Batgirl
Mr. Freeze
Riddler
Poison Ivy
Bane
Supergirl (actually she's annoying in the comics too)
Spawn
Steel
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Let us not forget Bullseye...
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And until the new movie comes out, Captain America belongs on that list. It was fun in a cheesy sort of way but his movie did not do him justice.

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Deadpool and Venom are two of my favorite comic characters. Watching the leaked version filled me with the same anger and frustration as seeing Spiderman 3 and what they did with Venom. The film isn't Spiderman 3 bad, but its pretty bad.
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What's so bad about the Wolverine movie? All I hear are complaints about screwing with characters...what else is wrong with it?

Isn't Liev's Sabertooth better than the first X-Men's wrestler dude sabertooth? I hear Gambit is good? I'm excited to see The Blob as well...

Is the story, flow, action, acting not good as well?

I don't think X3 was that bad. The Juggernaught redeemed that film for me. The main thing I didn't like about X3 was that they underused Collossus...


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