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Old 07-26-08, 05:54 PM
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It's in the reviews thread. A bunch of posts about it on the last page trying to figure out who accounts for the #5
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Thought this interesting... http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/c...d=batmanvs.htm

Had now clue the budget on Batman Begins was as high as it was.
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Thought this interesting... http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/c...d=batmanvs.htm

Had now clue the budget on Batman Begins was as high as it was.
Part of it was probably Nolan's aversion to CG.

Budgets over the last several years haven't gotten bigger so much as they've just been used a lot more. In the 90s there were a few huge budget flicks, now we seem to get them weekly.

The Matrix: $63m
Matrix Reloaded: $150m
Matrix Revolutions: $150m

Spider-man: $139m
Spider-man 2: $200m
Spider-man 3: $258m

X-men: $75m
X2: $110m
X3: $210m

Superman Returns: $270m (Production delays, they tried getting it off the ground for ages)

Pirates of the Caribbean: $140m
Pirates 2: $225m
Pirates 3: $300m (Some sets got washed away during a 'cane)

Batman Begins: $150m
The Dark Knight: $185m

Shrek: $60m
Shrek 2: $150m
Shrek 3: $160m

Finding Nemo: $94m
The Incredibles: $92m
Ratatouille: $150m
Wall-E: $180m

Waterworld: $175m ( $241.89 adjusted for inflation )

Terminator 2: $102m adjusted for inflation thats around $159m
Terminator 3: $200m

Titanic: $200m (adjusted for inflation thats around $263m)

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Matrix Revolutions: $150m - SHIT
Spider-man 3: $258m - SHIT
X3: $210m - SHIT
Superman Returns: $270m - SHIT
Pirates 3: $300m - SHIT
Shrek 3: $160m - SHIT
Ratatouille: $150m - Not shit - but wow, thats a lot
Wall-E: $180m - Not shit - but wow, that's even more

*SHIT of course, only being my opinion.

Batman Begins: $150m
The Dark Knight: $185m - Now, it could just be that these two movies aren't shit so my viewed is skewed - but at least in watching The Dark Knight, you can see why the movie cost what it did. Hell, give Nolan another extra $75 million and let him film the whole thing in IMAX format.
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Originally Posted by clemente
Matrix Revolutions: $150m - SHIT
Spider-man 3: $258m - SHIT
X3: $210m - SHIT
Superman Returns: $270m - SHIT
Pirates 3: $300m - SHIT
Shrek 3: $160m - SHIT
Ratatouille: $150m - Not shit - but wow, thats a lot
Wall-E: $180m - Not shit - but wow, that's even more
Some of those budgets may include marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case with the animated features.

Superman Returns also has nearly $100+ million in development costs associated with the Burton, McG, Abrams, and Peterson versions. It cost $25 million just to eat the pay or play contracts of Burton and Nick Cage.
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
Thought this interesting... http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/c...d=batmanvs.htm

Had now clue the budget on Batman Begins was as high as it was.
I was also somewhat disappointed that the movie did not do as well as I thought it would.
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Old 07-27-08, 06:39 AM
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I was also somewhat disappointed that the movie did not do as well as I thought it would.
man are u on crack? people predicted this to make less than a 100 mil first weekened... this has gone beyond expectations for what it is...
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Download the script in PDF form from Warner Bros' website here. Just click on 'Script'.
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wow...rarely anything changed. Some lines were altered but pretty much what TDK film was...
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Download the script in PDF form from Warner Bros' website here. Just click on 'Script'.
Nice. Should help with the wait for the dvd.
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As good as the film is, the screenplay is even better.

A couple of my personal favorites excluded from the film were
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Joker's extended line "Like my mother used to tell me--if you're good at something, never do it for free" and the interrogation scene in which Batman rips up a chair bolted to the floor to prop up under the door.
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Originally Posted by grrr
As good as the film is, the screenplay is even better.

A couple of my personal favorites excluded from the film were
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Joker's extended line "Like my mother used to tell me--if you're good at something, never do it for free" and the interrogation scene in which Batman rips up a chair bolted to the floor to prop up under the door.

But they also moved some stuff in the mob meeting scene and added a few one-liners by the Joker in the finished product which make it better than the screenplay.
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I don't feel that way. The film also had the puzzling scene where
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the Joker blows up the cruiser in front of Dent's SWAT van, shooting it with not one, but two RPGs before the tumbler intercepts a third intended for Dent. The screenplay makes it clear that on the first RPG Gordon slams on the brakes and barely saves their lives, after which the bmobile takes one for the team.
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I feel ending the scene soon after the Joker leaves with Lau having (cowardly) shut off the TV is FAR superior than letting the scene drag on after Mr. J leaves. Not to mention his one-liners are always awesome!

And of course a written version is going to give more description than what's on film... what did you want, a closeup of Gordon's foot hitting the brake? No thanks, I thought the car chase made perfect sense as shot.
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ditto....
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http://www.variety.com/awardcentral_...ryid=1982&cs=1

Academy disqualifies 'Dark' score
Music cue sheet lists five names as composers
By JON BURLINGAME
Posted: Wed., Nov. 12, 2008, 8:53pm PT


The score for "The Dark Knight" has been disqualified by the executive committee of the Academy music branch.

Formal letters to that effect are expected to go out this week to composers Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, who collaborated on the music.

Their previous collaboration, on "Batman Begins," was similarly disqualified in 2005.

Sources inside the committee said that the big issue was the fact that five names were listed as composers on the music cue sheet, the official studio document that specifies every piece of music (along with its duration and copyright owner) in the film.

Zimmer said, in an interview with Variety prior to this week's Acad action, that listing multiple names on the cue sheet was a way of financially rewarding parts of the music team who helped make the overall work successful. (Performing-rights societies like ASCAP and BMI use the cue sheet to distribute royalties to composers.)

Zimmer, Howard and the other three individuals -- music editor Alex Gibson, ambient music designer Mel Wesson and composer Lorne Balfe -- reportedly signed an affidavit stating that the score was primarily the work of Zimmer and Howard.

That apparently wasn't enough for the majority of the committee, which was also supplied with documentation indicating that more than 60%, but less than 70%, of the score was credited to Zimmer and Howard.

The "Dark Knight" score -- and the whole issue of multiple-composer collaboration, which is on the rise in Hollywood these days -- has occupied about four hours of discussion over the past two executive committee meetings.

Some members sided with Zimmer and Howard; citing the originality and cutting-edge nature of the music, they urged others to keep the "Dark Knight" score eligible despite the cue-sheet issue.

Both Zimmer and Howard declined comment on the ruling. Both are seven-time nominees; Zimmer won for "The Lion King."
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I feel ending the scene soon after the Joker leaves with Lau having (cowardly) shut off the TV is FAR superior than letting the scene drag on after Mr. J leaves. Not to mention his one-liners are always awesome!

And of course a written version is going to give more description than what's on film... what did you want, a closeup of Gordon's foot hitting the brake? No thanks, I thought the car chase made perfect sense as shot.
It made no sense.

The Joker was trying to kill Dent, and so he wastes two RPGs blowing up the cop car in front of it before Batman magically comes to the rescue? It was a huge hole in the movie that bugged me more every time I watched it.

I'll just leave it at this: Some cinephiles are more discriminating than others.
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I thought he was trying to capture/kidnap Dent, not kill him. been a while since I've seen the movie though.
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Yeah...he was trying to capture Dent, not kill him. Did I miss something?
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Warner has publicly begun their push for Ledger as best supporting actor with this ad in the new issue of Variety:

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That's a really nice picture. Any word if Warner is campaigning for Best Picture or Director?
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Yeah, that would make an awesome poster too.
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If anything, I think Nolan should get Best Director so far out of what's come out this year. Of course, we need to see The Wrestler, Curious Case of Benjamin Button, And Gran Torino. I just think Nolan really upped the game, obviously, in making it so epic and able to retain great control of the whole film in all aspects.

I must say...this year will end as being a damn fine year for American Cinema. I've never been out to the films as much as this year since...never.
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I'd have to agree, we've seen a lot of just really solid, entertaining fillms this year (starting around May with Iron Man, which didn't live up to the hype for me but it was still damn good).

As for Director, and this is going purely off reviews, I think Danny Boyle has a better shot right now.

For the remainder of the year:

Slumdog Millionaire, Gran Torino, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Australia, Milk, Frost/Nixon, Seven Pounds, The Wrestler, The Brothers Bloom, Revolutionary Road, Valkyrie, and Defiance

And that shot in the oscar ad is great.
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Slumdog Millionaire, Gran Torino, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Australia, Milk, Frost/Nixon, Seven Pounds, The Wrestler, The Brothers Bloom, Revolutionary Road, Valkyrie, and Defiance
Valkyrie? Really? That film seems to have some of the worst pre-release buzz ever. I'd add Doubt to that list.
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