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Old 02-22-14, 12:03 AM
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Exactly, cash grab. When this comes out and sucks reality will sink in. It will tarnish the mystique of the OT further by having these fucking zombified looking old fossils like horrifically aging in a split second like some nazi commander who drank from the wrong cup.
The PT and more importantly the SEs have done way may more damage to the legacy of this than VII is likely too. That being said, the age of the involved parities can't help but uneasily bring to mind this Expendables-era of stuff where aging actors are dragged out in films which depend on audience nostalgia more than anything else. By make no mistake, nostalgia for this thing is going to translate into record-breaking box office. Still no OOT buzz though .
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams, S: The casts of Star Trek, Lost, Felicit

Episode 7 will be good if my boy Bib makes an appearance.
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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138
The PT and more importantly the SEs have done way may more damage to the legacy of this than VII is likely too. That being said, the age of the involved parities can't help but uneasily bring to mind this Expendables-era of stuff where aging actors are dragged out in films which depend on audience nostalgia more than anything else. By make no mistake, nostalgia for this thing is going to translate into record-breaking box office. Still no OOT buzz though .
Yep nostalgia will allow Disney to buy up a small country. This obviously has zero as you pointed out, zero to do with its quality as it will be some shallow thing, and i bet will throw some positivity toward the Prequels maybe, i can see it now "maybe it was not a good idea to wheel out these fossils, yeesh, say what you will about the Prequels but at least they tried something new".
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
The Star Wars Saga feels like it should be composed of three trilogies, each following a different generation of the Skywalker family.

The only characters who appear in all nine films should be Artoo and Threepio.
At one point in the distant past, Lucas said the same thing. Of course, that ship has sailed with Obi Wan, Yoda and Chewbaccca in the prequels.

And was that lens flare in the production drawing in the Abrams pic?
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Recasting the characters would have been a better way to go I think, then we could get a movie out of my favorite EU Star Wars trilogy, and get Grand Admiral Thrawn and Mara Jade on screen.
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Recasting the characters would have been a better way to go I think, then we could get a movie out of my favorite EU Star Wars trilogy, and get Grand Admiral Thrawn and Mara Jade on screen.
I respectfully disagree, as I would have no interest in seeing other actors play Luke, Leia and Han at a younger age. I agree with you that there is more story to tell with them in their prime, but it wouldn't be the same as you would never be able to match that chemistry they had from the OT.

If they decided to go that route, just use the Star Wars galaxy landscape, but go in a whole new time period with different actors and no mention of anything related to a Skywalker.
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Personally I would prefer completely new characters and they don't bring in the original three at all or at the most have cameo roles. Can easily have the Solo children and Skywalker's son take the lead. But if we must keep the original characters in the films I would like to see some of the better EU material be filmed and the Thrawn stuff is the best there is. As long as the actors are good enough recasts won't bother me much.

Though I suppose what we'll get is Ford, Hamill and Fisher taken out of retirement homes and still expected to be the same heroes they were 30 years ago.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams, S: The casts of Star Trek, Lost, Felicit

Originally Posted by TimeSkip
Though I suppose what we'll get is Ford, Hamill and Fisher taken out of retirement homes and still expected to be the same heroes they were 30 years ago.
I don't know if anyone expects that.
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Well I don't mean expected from the audience but from Abrams and the studio. The "age meaning nothing" idea seems to be popular lately.
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A few new rumors about Episode 7 and the characters:

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com.es/201...l#.UwyLws75IYv
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Originally Posted by TimeSkip
Recasting the characters would have been a better way to go I think, then we could get a movie out of my favorite EU Star Wars trilogy, and get Grand Admiral Thrawn and Mara Jade on screen.
An animated Thrawn trilogy would be much better than live-action so that way they don't have to recast Luke, Leia, and Han.
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At one point in the distant past, Lucas said the same thing. Of course, that ship has sailed with Obi Wan, Yoda and Chewbaccca in the prequels.
Those three being in six of nine does not mean they would be in all nine. R2-D2 & C-3PO may still be the only nine-film constants.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams, S: The casts of Star Trek, Lost, Felicit

Originally Posted by TimeSkip
Personally I would prefer completely new characters and they don't bring in the original three at all or at the most have cameo roles. Can easily have the Solo children and Skywalker's son take the lead. But if we must keep the original characters in the films I would like to see some of the better EU material be filmed and the Thrawn stuff is the best there is. As long as the actors are good enough recasts won't bother me much.

Though I suppose what we'll get is Ford, Hamill and Fisher taken out of retirement homes and still expected to be the same heroes they were 30 years ago.
If the Thrawn stuff is the best there is, they can stop now. Nobody wants to see that crap on the big screen. It was "good" because it was the ONLY thing SW related that we got for years... we gobbled it up because the internet was in its infancy and we had no new material. From an original story perspective, it's not high-production movie worthy --- IMO.
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Really? I've heard great stuff about it.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams, S: The casts of Star Trek, Lost, Felicit

Originally Posted by Rob V
If the Thrawn stuff is the best there is, they can stop now. Nobody wants to see that crap on the big screen. It was "good" because it was the ONLY thing SW related that we got for years... we gobbled it up because the internet was in its infancy and we had no new material. From an original story perspective, it's not high-production movie worthy --- IMO.
Have to agree here. I understand they
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would have changed my opinion. I like the books but I don't think they would translate well at all.

I'm spoilering to be nice - I would think 20+ years is outside the moratorium for spoilers though.
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I would think 20+ years is outside the moratorium for spoilers though.
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Originally Posted by Rob V
If the Thrawn stuff is the best there is, they can stop now. Nobody wants to see that crap on the big screen. It was "good" because it was the ONLY thing SW related that we got for years... we gobbled it up because the internet was in its infancy and we had no new material. From an original story perspective, it's not high-production movie worthy --- IMO.
You say nobody wants to see it, and then you end with its all your opinion that it's not worthy of a movie.

The Thrawn stuff is decent, but I agree it's overrated. I would like to see Thrawn on the big screen though.

It's also not the best EU stuff. The X-Wing series by Michael Stackpole and Aaron Allston is much much better.

Plus, much of the Del Rey era is better than the best of the Bantam era. There are several great prequel era EU books in the Del Rey era. The prequel movies may have sucked, but the prequel EU books were good.

Del Rey also did the New Jedi Order series, which was great despite being controversial for
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An animated Thrawn trilogy would be much better than live-action so that way they don't have to recast Luke, Leia, and Han.
No matter what Abrams gives us, I still want to see this, even if it exists as an "Infinities" story.
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You say nobody wants to see it, and then you end with its all your opinion that it's not worthy of a movie.

The Thrawn stuff is decent, but I agree it's overrated. I would like to see Thrawn on the big screen though.

It's also not the best EU stuff. The X-Wing series by Michael Stackpole and Aaron Allston is much much better.

Plus, much of the Del Rey era is better than the best of the Bantam era. There are several great prequel era EU books in the Del Rey era. The prequel movies may have sucked, but the prequel EU books were good.

Del Rey also did the New Jedi Order series, which was great despite being controversial for
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My opinion is that putting major resources into that set of stories isn't worthwhile. As someone else mentioned, make it animated or base a video game on it... don't make Episodes 7-9 the EU trilogy.
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Those three being in six of nine does not mean they would be in all nine. R2-D2 & C-3PO may still be the only nine-film constants.
Actually, of those three only Obi-Wan is in all 6. Chewbacca is in 4 (not in I or II) films and Yoda in 5 (not in IV)
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My opinion is that putting major resources into that set of stories isn't worthwhile. As someone else mentioned, make it animated or base a video game on it... don't make Episodes 7-9 the EU trilogy.
I was the one that mentioned to make it animated in post 2723. I don't think anyone has said Episodes 7-9 should be the Thrawn trilogy.

Disney didn't spend $4 billion on the Star Wars franchise just to make 7-9 and then call it quits. This is more than likely going to be similar to what they are doing with the Marvel Cinematic Universe with many Star Wars related movies. A Thrawn movie is most definitely possible.

Although more than anything I would absolutely love a movie set in the KOTOR era. Malak and Revan movie? HELL YES!
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I admit I don't understand the shrug of shorulders over Thrawn. Over the various EU books I've read the characters in that trilogy interested me the most. From Thrawn, Paelleon, Mara Jade, Karrde and yes C'boath. Too many of the EU books have villains that I don't care about and situations that don't seem to matter that much (I'm looking at you Corellian trilogy). Not to mention the writing is often horrid. Timothy Zahn however managed to write an intriguing set that actually made me a little sad to see completed.

Though I understand it really isn't that feasible to translate as a movie, recasting Han, Luke and Leia wouldn't really work as much as I'd love to see it. I'd go with an animated version though, I gladly admit its my favorite EU work, liked it even better than Shadows of the Empire and Xizor was an excellent villain himself.
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Most of the EU is so craptastic that to say Thrawn is among the best of the EU is truly damning it with faint praise.
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Most of the EU is so craptastic that to say Thrawn is among the best of the EU is truly damning it with faint praise.
Most of the Star Wars movies aren't really that great either.

Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.

90% of movies are crap.
90% of TV shows are crap.
90% of video games are crap.

Star Wars EU is no different than anything else. The crap drastically outnumbers the good in anything.
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A few new rumors about Episode 7 and the characters:

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com.es/201...l#.UwyLws75IYv
If the central story is "inadequate" (I'm not surprised) and the director is "indecisive", things don't sound very promising. I hope the report is bogus, as I don't want to see McDiarmid in this film at all. Palpatine's story felt complete and I don't like the idea of a Sith ghost or (even worse) a clone of the Emperor popping up. Hell, I halfway expect to hear of Vader being resurrected for Episode VIII. Lazy ass $@!*.

And if the story is about twins, I think that's pretty damn lame. They've gone out of their way to say this won't be tied to the EU, so why have another set of twins be the central characters? Oh, wait...

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/bxU2eqZtYmc?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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