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Old 11-08-14, 12:53 PM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

The Force Awakens is a bullshit title and I'm dissapoint.

I was really hoping for Star Wars: Son of Jar Jar.

I guess I'll just hope for a one-shot movie.
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Originally Posted by dan30oly
I was really hoping for Star Wars: Son of Jar Jar.
They should retcon it so that Jar Jar's son is the "other hope" Obi-Wan and Yoda were talking about in ESB.

Luke goes Dark Side in Episode VII. Then Son of Jar Jar must defeat Luke.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by chanster
Ranking the Titles:

1.) The Empire Strikes Back
2.) A New Hope
3.) The Phantom Menace
4.) Return of the Jedi
5.) The Force Awakens
6.) Revenge of the Sith
7.) Attack of the Clones

Personally, I like the Force Awakens. Looking objectively at the titles of the last 4 movies - 3 of them had " _______ of the _______" in them. Passive and boring, just like most of the PT.
I never liked the prequel titles.

I would have gone with:

1. The Gathering Darkness
2. Breaking the Republic
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. The Empire Strikes Back
6. Return of the Jedi
7. The Force Awakens

I also would have tossed out ep 1/Phantom Menace, made Attack of the Clones into Episode 1: The Gathering Darkness, made Revenge of the Sith into Episode 2: Breaking the Republic, and then Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith would have seen Darth Vader and the Sith hunting down the remaining Jedi and the founding of the rebellion. And no fucking Gungans anywhere.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

If we're talking 'darkness' in titles, I've always liked the title 'Darkness Falls.' It was the title of an X-files episode way back in the first season.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Episode 7: The Force Awakens
Episode 8: Rebirth of An Empire
Episode 9: Redemption of A Jedi
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Episode 7: The Force Awakens
Episode 8: The Force Awakens Into Darkness
Episode 9: Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Sequel II
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Episode 7: The Force Takes a Nap
Episode 8: The Force Wakes Up Has to Piss and Goes Back To Said Nap
Episdoe 9: Enough with this shit
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by taffer
They should retcon it so that Jar Jar's son is the "other hope" Obi-Wan and Yoda were talking about in ESB.

Luke goes Dark Side in Episode VII. Then Son of Jar Jar must defeat Luke.

I see no reason for Star Wars fans not to like that.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

No Lowbacca = No sale.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by milo bloom
You're just nitpicking here, The Force is clearly established to have, if not a sentience, at least a level of activity that separates it from, say, the electricity in the wires of your house. It nudges events and people in the directions it wants them to go.
That was before we learned the Force is really just a virus ... Or a bacteria. Whatever the hell midichlorians are. Hell, one little evolutionary anomaly and the Jedi would have been zombies instead of magicians.
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Star Wars -Episode VIII: The Force Hits the Snooze Button
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
If we're talking 'darkness' in titles, I've always liked the title 'Darkness Falls.' It was the title of an X-files episode way back in the first season.


I've never seen this one. Any good?
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^ Nope.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by dan30oly
The Force Awakens is a bullshit title and I'm dissapoint.

I was really hoping for Star Wars: Son of Jar Jar.

I guess I'll just hope for a one-shot movie.
Wow, really funny stuff there. Just classic material.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Abob Teff
That was before we learned the Force is really just a virus ... Or a bacteria. Whatever the hell midichlorians are. Hell, one little evolutionary anomaly and the Jedi would have been zombies instead of magicians.
Is there anything anybody can say that will make folks like yourself understand why this isn't true?

The midi-chlorians *aren't* the Force. They're antennas for The Force. Your concentrations of midichlorians determine how well you interact with The Force.

It is admittedly a clunky way of telling the story, but The Force itself remains an energy field created by all living beings that binds the universe together. It's still an unexplained, mystical, quasi-religious phenomenon.
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
Is there anything anybody can say that will make folks like yourself understand why this isn't true?

The midi-chlorians *aren't* the Force. They're antennas for The Force. Your concentrations of midichlorians determine how well you interact with The Force.

It is admittedly a clunky way of telling the story, but The Force itself remains an energy field created by all living beings that binds the universe together. It's still an unexplained, mystical, quasi-religious phenomenon.
So the Force is really just dark matter?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by milo bloom
Is there anything anybody can say that will make folks like yourself understand why this isn't true?

The midi-chlorians *aren't* the Force. They're antennas for The Force. Your concentrations of midichlorians determine how well you interact with The Force.
Which is still bullshit since it changes the Force from something anybody can use to a skill you're born with.

For a series about restoring a republic, Star Wars sure didn't have much truck with democracy.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Timber
So the Force is really just dark matter?
Don't be ridiculous.

It's dark energy.
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
You really should check out Harmy's despecialized versions. I hadn't seen the films all the way through since the days of vhs when I finally got a hold of them and they absolutely rekindled any love I may have lost post SEs/prequels.
There are all kind of interesting fan-edits out there I'd like to check out, but I always worry in the back of my mind about the legal grey areas.

If you're not already familiar with them, I would highly recommend J.W. Rinzler's "making of" trilogy of books. The best part about them is that the only sources used for the books are documents and interviews from the actual time period the films were made/released. The Jedi book is especially fascinating as it contains excerpts from the story conferences with Lucas, Kasdan, and Marquand. The short version is that Jedi's story was kinda, sorta slapped together and it's pretty clear that Kasdan was not a fan of the direction it went.
I'll check them out. I've heard the Annotated Screenplays book is good too.
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Which is still bullshit since it changes the Force from something anybody can use to a skill you're born with..
Wait, even before midichlorians, there were still the references that "the Force is strong" with some people. So it's no different, just a very clunky way to explain it.
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at this point I'd be down for the entire prequel trilogy to be explained away as a feverish wet dream that Luke had after drinking spoiled blue milk. I'd be like... "huh.... okay whatevs, let's get on with the action."
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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138
I'll check them out. I've heard the Annotated Screenplays book is good too.
I could never get through the Annotated Screenplays. They're too jumbled. Bouzereau will give you a chunk of the finished script, then he'll tell you what was happening at a similar point in all the other drafts, which makes it impossible to keep all the different versions straight.

If you want to see the development of the story, my recommendation is Kaminski's Secret History of Star Wars.

Originally Posted by dave94
Wait, even before midichlorians, there were still the references that "the Force is strong" with some people. So it's no different, just a very clunky way to explain it.
The Force being strong with someone doesn't necessarily mean they were born that way. It could be something you pickup by having the right mindset -- otherwise what's the point of telling someone, "May the Force be with you"? And didn't Obi-wan imply he could train Han if he were open to it?
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Originally Posted by TGM
at this point I'd be down for the entire prequel trilogy to be explained away as a feverish wet dream that Luke had after drinking spoiled blue milk. I'd be like... "huh.... okay whatevs, let's get on with the action."
A lot of people are wanting this to happen but Disney has acknowledged the prequel trilogy as canon under no uncertain terms. If they were going to decanonize them or whatever they would have done it along with the decanonization of the Expanded Universe.

There are rumors that the new movies will avoid addressing the PT as much as possible but there are also conflicting rumors that a few references are made.

In any case, its not reasonable to expect them to ignore what was, in all reality, a huge financial success that wrapped up less than a decade ago.
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The Rinzler books truly are fantastic. I could pore over them for hours at a time, trying to read all the handwritten notes and script corrections. There's so many incredible details.


I don't recall Ben offering to train Han, but in retrospect, I wonder if Han was slightly Force sensitive anyways? A good shot with the blaster and and very good pilot. Maybe some people are slightly luckier than others without being full fledged Jedi?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Well you saw Han dodge that blaster shot from Greedo, no way he does that without being force sensitive.


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