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Old 12-02-14, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TGM
^ that would be the only character from the prequel that would give that "wow factor"
That would be a fun reveal.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

I really enjoy reading this thread. Hope we can keep the spoilers in tags.
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Originally Posted by TGM
^ that would be the only character from the prequel that would give that "wow factor"
That would be a fun reveal.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by JTH182
There were some MAJOR spoilers leaked today if true, but they also read as if they could be conjecture based on what is already known.

If they are true, this movie and trilogy sound pretty cool and very layered!
No trade negotiations = no sale.

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I'm slightly curious, will Star Wars: Episode VII break all records (not just box-office records, but ALL records)?
No. Unquestionably no. The audience is not broad enough.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by islandclaws
^ Some people were saying
Spoiler:
he could be Boba Fett, who is now mostly-cyborg since escaping from the Sarlaac Pit.
Spoiler:
Please, God, no. Fanboys have made Boba Fett into the most tiresome character in the entire franchise, and having him escape the Sarlaac would be nothing but lame fanservice. I'd rather have Lobot as the villain.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by TGM
^ that would be the only character from the prequel that would give that "wow factor"
Spoiler:
'Cept Fett is considered more of an iconic OT character... and (assuming he aged normally) Boba would be about 65 in the timeline had he survived the sarlacc pit. Apart from being the wrong nationality, Sydow is too old... but if his face is obstructed by cybernetic parts, it would be a moot point. Still, I highly doubt he's playing an established character.
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Why the fuck would you hire Max Von Sydow to play that character? And I don't buy that you'd refer to that character as "a character from the prequel films" when he originated in the OT and appeared in a singular "prequel films."

oh fuck it, it's not a spoiler. People are guessing it's Boba Fett and there's just no way.

There is literally no character that fits that anyone would give a shit about which casts doubt on the whole thing.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by joe_b
Spoiler:
"Sydow is a sort of mentor to Kira, and apparently his true identity is an Act III revelation that will surprise a lot of people. The contention is that he is an existing character from the prequel films, and the revelation of his identity will shock viewers."

I don't see it. I mean, who the hell could he be? Old Ric Olié? Sydow isn't Latin or Maori, so Bail Organa and Boba are probably out of the question (though it wouldn't be the first time Abrams whitewashed an ethnic character).
I'm hoping it's Jar Jar Binks. Mesa a Jedi!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Spoiler:
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

I'm guessing his character is revealed to be Grand Moff Tarkin (even though he's practically exclusively associated with the original film) since he appears for 1/10th of a second in RotS which technically makes him "a character from the prequel films."

Oh fuck, my sarcastic mocking prediction wound up making 10x more sense than the insanely-dumb Boba Fett theory.
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Originally Posted by Shazam
I'm hoping it's Jar Jar Binks. Mesa a Jedi!
I'm guessing he'll be Sebulba. Or Darth Maul survived the loss of half his body at the expense of his abilities with the Force. Or... it's Mace Windu.
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I thought Sydow wasn't at Abu Dhabi?
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
I'm guessing he'll be Sebulba. Or Darth Maul survived the loss of half his body at the expense of his abilities with the Force. Or... it's Mace Windu.
Darth Maul did survive being cut in half, and it's officially canon. The CGI animated Clone Wars series brought Maul back with a robotic lower half. That animated series is canon.
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Just read the whole spoiler report. Very interesting and sounds great.

The part I liked most:
Spoiler:
Serkis as a Sith alien and is the big bad.


Can't trust these spoiler reports though.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by islandclaws
^ Some people were saying
Spoiler:
he could be Boba Fett, who is now mostly-cyborg since escaping from the Sarlaac Pit.
I'm going to go out on a very big limb here and say that the 'mystery' character is --

Spoiler:

Anakin Skywalker.

Evidence:

He's a prequel character.

Sith connection.

His identity will shock the audience. Is some second-tier character going to shock anyone?

He's living on Tattooine, his old home. Why would the movie go back to Tattooine again? The Skywalker family is the only connection to that world.

He's a cyborg.

He's watching over his granddaughter.

Max von Sydow is in his eighties, the same age Anakin would be at this point in the timeline.

There's a Darth Vader flashback that takes place on Endor. In this flashback we will learn that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker survived. If they're going to do a flashback with Vader, it must be for something huge. This is Luke's stunning reveal.

It might even explain why Anakin's 'force ghost' in the last ROTJ revision was that of his younger, pre-Sith self. Luke never actually interacted with the ghosts at the end, so they might have just been a vision of some kind. Also keep in mind that we never saw Anakin/Vader fade away to become a force ghost, and he was never taught how to become one, either. This also mitigates a sucky change made to ROTJ if those weren't actual force ghosts Luke was looking at.


Have at it, fanboys...

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I'm going to go out on a very big limb here and say that the 'mystery' character is --

Spoiler:

Anakin Skywalker.

Evidence:

He's a prequel character.

Sith connection.

His identity will shock the audience. Is some second-tier character going to shock anyone?

He's living on Tattooine, his old home. Why would the movie go back to Tattooine again? The Skywalker family is the only connection to that world.

He's a cyborg.

He's watching over his granddaughter.

Max von Sydow is in his eighties, the same age Anakin would be at this point in the timeline.

There's a Darth Vader flashback that takes place on Endor. In this flashback we will learn that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker survived. If they're going to do a flashback with Vader, it must be for something huge. This is Luke's stunning reveal.

It might even explain why Anakin's 'force ghost' in the last ROTJ revision was that of his younger, pre-Sith self. Luke never actually interacted with the ghosts at the end, so they might have just been a vision of some kind. Also keep in mind that we never saw Anakin/Vader fade away to become a force ghost, and he was never taught how to become one, either. This also mitigates a sucky change made to ROTJ if those weren't actual force ghosts Luke was looking at.


Have at it, fanboys...
Also
Spoiler:
we never actually directly saw Anakin die. He just said that if his helmet was removed, then he would die and he was already dying so it didn't matter. Well what if someone came along and saved him after Luke left? Some Imperial officer could have found him, put his helmet back on, got him off the Death Star just in time, and then got him to a medbay somewhere.

If Anakin could survive that extreme burning on Mustafar, then he could survive some Force Lightning temporarily shorting him out.

If you never see a character directly die on-screen, then there's always a way to bring them back...
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

didn't we see

Spoiler:
Luke carrying or dragging Darth Vader's body into the escape ship? I can't recall now. Regardless, the idea that Luke would take the time to strip down his dad while the Death Star is crumbling around them, just to get his armor and helmet so as to burn it and it alone on the surface of Endor is ridiculous. Revisionist history aside, it was clearly meant to be Luke burning the body of his dead father, confirmed by the force ghost (regardless if it was old or young Anakin) shown afterward
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

There was a funeral in ROTJ. Unless that was retconned out in after the first changes of ROTJ. How many times has that thing been changed?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by TGM
didn't we see

Spoiler:
Luke carrying or dragging Darth Vader's body into the escape ship? I can't recall now. Regardless, the idea that Luke would take the time to strip down his dad while the Death Star is crumbling around them, just to get his armor and helmet so as to burn it and it alone on the surface of Endor is ridiculous. Revisionist history aside, it was clearly meant to be Luke burning the body of his dead father, confirmed by the force ghost (regardless if it was old or young Anakin) shown afterward
Yes, and that has always been sort of contentious...

Spoiler:
in that, at the time, it was speculated that there should have been no body left to burn because we saw Obi-Wan and Yoda disappear when they died, so Luke burning an empty suit has been something that has been speculated for a long time. The prequels sort of muddied this by not really explaining the force ghost concept. There is a lot of wriggle room there. According to the prequels, Kenobi and Yoda should be the only Jedi who could force ghost.
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Spoiler:
A Force ghost pretty much dooms the idea it's Anakin... but it'd be a great surprise if it was him
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Spoiler:
According to the prequels, Qui-Gon was the first Jedi to learn how to become a Force Ghost. Qui-Gon didn't disappear either though. Qui-Gon then taught it to Yoda, who in turn taught it to Obi-Wan. How Anakin ever learned it is never explained.

At the very end of ROTS, Yoda said he has been talking to an "old friend" and Obi-Wan is surprised that it is Qui-Gon. Yoda then says he will teach Obi-Wan.

There was also a storyarc on the CGI Clone Wars animated series that went into a little more depth on the Force Ghost thing. I never saw it though because it was the Netflix-exclusive final season, and I don't subscribe to Netflix.
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Originally Posted by Rob V
Spoiler:
A Force ghost pretty much dooms the idea it's Anakin... but it'd be a great surprise if it was him
Spoiler:
Unless as someone else suggested, that wasn't actually a Force Ghost. How did Anakin ever learn it? According to the prequels, only Qui-Gon, Yoda, and Obi-Wan ever learned it.
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It's cooler to hate on something years after you thought it was awesome.
So true...Especially this site.
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There's still a lot to explain:[
Spoiler:
How did Han and Leia's daughter end up on Tatooine? Did they seriously leave her with Anakin? Or was it just a coincidence? What would be the point of keeping Anakin alive all those years?
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Not that I'm complaining, but I'm just wondering why we're spoiler-tagging plot points from a 30-year-old movie.


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