Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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As for considering the original version of the trilogy canon? Same thing. The handful of contradictory elements aren't gonna be addressed. I guarantee you Han doesn't have a monologue reminiscing about shooting Greedo first 50 years before. The ST is gonna "fit" with either version of the films.
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
With how Lucas cut out the elderly Indiana Jones segments from Young Indiana Jones, it seems like 90 year old plus Harrison Ford characters aren't well liked.
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Oh shit ... I think you found the explanation which will reconcile the many versions of the OT ... They are simply the demented and fuzzy memories of an elderly Han Solo ...
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
Oh shit ... I think you found the explanation which will reconcile the many versions of the OT ... They are simply the demented and fuzzy memories of an elderly Han Solo ...
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
It's funny you said that cause I believe when its all said and done, the new SW Saga will be looked at by many fans as 4,5,6,7,8,9.
I don't believe there will be any PT references in the ST (Midiclorians, Jar Jar, Darth Plaguis), so they are essentially making the movies so you don't have to watch the PT to understand any plot points. All of the payoffs in the ST will all be setup in the OT, so they will make up the new 6 movies story.
Of course there will always be 1-6 Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker for fans who like that (I personaly don't) so essentially the OT will be the link to either story you like: PT/OT-SE, or OOT/ST, or of course just the OOT for many old schoolers or just SW'77 for old old schoolers like my older brother and his friends.
I don't believe there will be any PT references in the ST (Midiclorians, Jar Jar, Darth Plaguis), so they are essentially making the movies so you don't have to watch the PT to understand any plot points. All of the payoffs in the ST will all be setup in the OT, so they will make up the new 6 movies story.
Of course there will always be 1-6 Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker for fans who like that (I personaly don't) so essentially the OT will be the link to either story you like: PT/OT-SE, or OOT/ST, or of course just the OOT for many old schoolers or just SW'77 for old old schoolers like my older brother and his friends.
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That's enough to encourage a few more ...
Han: "Chewie. Chewie! CHEWIE! Hey, you remember that time we were running through the Death Star and ran into ten battallions of Stormtroopers?"
Chewbacca: "Rrrrraaawwww. Waaaaarrrrraaaaawwwaaaa." (Translation: We ran into a dead end, you old coot.)
Han: "Ran into a what? What are you talking about. I got a hero's medal; you didn't! If I say it was ten battallions, it was ten battallions. And we could have taken them all!"
Han: "After eating some of the 'shrooms, we all started wigging out and saw these magic teddy bears who helped us defeat the Empire."
Leia: "No dear. That one actually happened."
Han: "Chewie. Chewie! CHEWIE! Hey, you remember that time we were running through the Death Star and ran into ten battallions of Stormtroopers?"
Chewbacca: "Rrrrraaawwww. Waaaaarrrrraaaaawwwaaaa." (Translation: We ran into a dead end, you old coot.)
Han: "Ran into a what? What are you talking about. I got a hero's medal; you didn't! If I say it was ten battallions, it was ten battallions. And we could have taken them all!"
Han: "After eating some of the 'shrooms, we all started wigging out and saw these magic teddy bears who helped us defeat the Empire."
Leia: "No dear. That one actually happened."
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I'm getting inspired ... Can we lobby for a title change? I want "Grumpier Old Jedi."
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Oh shit ... I think you found the explanation which will reconcile the many versions of the OT ... They are simply the demented and fuzzy memories of an elderly Han Solo ...
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
Han: " ... and then I told Jabba --"
Luke: "Jabba wasn't even there when we left Mos Eisley!"
Han: "Yes he was! I remember it clearly. I even stepped on that fat bastard's tail!"
Han: "So then that green son of a bitch opens fire on me!"
Leia: "Han, honey, the bartender showed us the security footage."
Han: "No way, that bumpy frog shot at me first!"
Han: "That's when a spectacular musical number erupted in Jabba's chambers ..."
Lando: "There was just a house band. And how would you remember, you were frozen in Carbonite anyway!"
Han: "Then I saved Lando from the Sarlaac's protuding and extending beak as it lurched upward toward him!"
Lando: "It was just a hole. I almost fell in a hole. Besides you were blind at the time. Damn you are crazier than Mynock shit!"
OK ... now I am excited to see the the original characters 40 years later!
That's enough to encourage a few more ...
Han: "Chewie. Chewie! CHEWIE! Hey, you remember that time we were running through the Death Star and ran into ten battallions of Stormtroopers?"
Chewbacca: "Rrrrraaawwww. Waaaaarrrrraaaaawwwaaaa." (Translation: We ran into a dead end, you old coot.)
Han: "Ran into a what? What are you talking about. I got a hero's medal; you didn't! If I say it was ten battallions, it was ten battallions. And we could have taken them all!"
Han: "After eating some of the 'shrooms, we all started wigging out and saw these magic teddy bears who helped us defeat the Empire."
Leia: "No dear. That one actually happened."
Han: "Chewie. Chewie! CHEWIE! Hey, you remember that time we were running through the Death Star and ran into ten battallions of Stormtroopers?"
Chewbacca: "Rrrrraaawwww. Waaaaarrrrraaaaawwwaaaa." (Translation: We ran into a dead end, you old coot.)
Han: "Ran into a what? What are you talking about. I got a hero's medal; you didn't! If I say it was ten battallions, it was ten battallions. And we could have taken them all!"
Han: "After eating some of the 'shrooms, we all started wigging out and saw these magic teddy bears who helped us defeat the Empire."
Leia: "No dear. That one actually happened."
This is absolutely my favorite thing I've seen so far this year.
Brilliant.
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As many suspected, Lucas just confirmed in an interview that Disney discarded his outline for the new films. He'd probably not admit it, but that must have really offended him.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-G...ney-69271.html
Wonder how this affected his relationship with Kennedy and Abrams?
The ones that I sold to Disney, they came up to the decision that they didn’t really want to do those. So they made up their own. So it’s not the ones that I originally wrote.
Wonder how this affected his relationship with Kennedy and Abrams?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
Probably when Disney heard of his plans to make Episode VII, and THEN sell the franchise, they were like "No, just sell it to us now before you ruin the sequel trilogy too."
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I guess he can take solace in knowing his outline will likely be adapted into a graphic novel in about 35 years. Can't wait for that...
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I still want to read this! I wonder if I could get it through the library ...
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Now we all knew JJ was directing and Kasdan was writing the script (taking over for Arndt), but atleast I always thought that they were using Lucas's original outlines for Episodes 7.8,9. Plus I figured Lucas was sort of a 'consultant' where if they had any 'Star Wars-type' questions, he would be the first one to call. I also figured he had to visit the set sometime during shooting, just to see Ford, Fisher and Hamill?
Now I think it makes Episode 7 MUCH more interesting, because we will really see how bad the PT was because of Lucas? Or if Episode 7 turns out just as bad, do we all look back and say, "The OT was lightning in a bottle, and NOBODY (even Lucas) was ever going to recreate the magic with another trilogy." And that is when we will all realize that SW probably jumped the shark when ROTJ came out.
The one great thing about this is it shows that Lucas has no say in his franchise anymore, and once Disney gets the home video rights to the previous movies, we will see the OOT on BluRay someday!
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Yes, but I'm sure Disney will do something to acquire the rights someday if they want to put out a 9 movie box set after the ST is made. Wasn't that the reason the Batman 1966-68 TV series was held up so long for DVD/BluRay release?
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In the five months of negotiations that followed, Lucas argued that the best people to make the next Star Wars trilogy would be his longtime Lucasfilm executives. “I had a group of very, very talented people that had worked for the company for many, many years and really knew how to market Star Wars, how to do the licensing and make the movies,” Lucas explains. “I said, ‘I think it would be wise to keep some of this intact. We need a few people to oversee the property, you know, who are just dedicated to doing that, so we’re sure we get this right.’”
Iger understood Lucas’s concerns. “George said to me once that when he dies, it’s going to say ‘Star Wars creator George Lucas,’ ” he says. Still, Iger wanted to make sure that Lucas, who was used to controlling every aspect of Star Wars, from set design to lunchboxes, understood that Disney, not Lucasfilm, would have final say over any future movies. “We needed to have an understanding that if we acquire the company, despite tons of collegial conversations and collaboration, at the end of the day, we have to be the ones who sign off on whatever the plans are,” says Alan Horn, chairman of Walt Disney Studios.
Lucas agreed, in theory. The reality of giving up control weighed on him, though. At the end of every week before she flew home to Los Angeles, Kennedy says, she asked Lucas how he was feeling. Sometimes he seemed at peace. Other times, not. “I’m sure he paused periodically to question whether he was really ready to walk away,” she says.
At first Lucas wouldn’t even turn over his rough sketches of the next three Star Wars films. When Disney executives asked to see them, he assured them they would be great and said they should just trust him. “Ultimately you have to say, ‘Look, I know what I’m doing. Buying my stories is part of what the deal is.’ I’ve worked at this for 40 years, and I’ve been pretty successful,” Lucas says. “I mean, I could have said, ‘Fine, well, I’ll just sell the company to somebody else.’ ”
Once Lucas got assurances from Disney in writing about the broad outlines of the deal, he agreed to turn over the treatments—but insisted they could only be read by Iger, Horn, and Kevin Mayer, Disney’s executive vice president for corporate strategy. “We promised,” says Iger. “We had to sign an agreement.”
When Iger finally got a look at the treatments, he was elated. “We thought from a storytelling perspective they had a lot of potential,” he says.
Iger understood Lucas’s concerns. “George said to me once that when he dies, it’s going to say ‘Star Wars creator George Lucas,’ ” he says. Still, Iger wanted to make sure that Lucas, who was used to controlling every aspect of Star Wars, from set design to lunchboxes, understood that Disney, not Lucasfilm, would have final say over any future movies. “We needed to have an understanding that if we acquire the company, despite tons of collegial conversations and collaboration, at the end of the day, we have to be the ones who sign off on whatever the plans are,” says Alan Horn, chairman of Walt Disney Studios.
Lucas agreed, in theory. The reality of giving up control weighed on him, though. At the end of every week before she flew home to Los Angeles, Kennedy says, she asked Lucas how he was feeling. Sometimes he seemed at peace. Other times, not. “I’m sure he paused periodically to question whether he was really ready to walk away,” she says.
At first Lucas wouldn’t even turn over his rough sketches of the next three Star Wars films. When Disney executives asked to see them, he assured them they would be great and said they should just trust him. “Ultimately you have to say, ‘Look, I know what I’m doing. Buying my stories is part of what the deal is.’ I’ve worked at this for 40 years, and I’ve been pretty successful,” Lucas says. “I mean, I could have said, ‘Fine, well, I’ll just sell the company to somebody else.’ ”
Once Lucas got assurances from Disney in writing about the broad outlines of the deal, he agreed to turn over the treatments—but insisted they could only be read by Iger, Horn, and Kevin Mayer, Disney’s executive vice president for corporate strategy. “We promised,” says Iger. “We had to sign an agreement.”
When Iger finally got a look at the treatments, he was elated. “We thought from a storytelling perspective they had a lot of potential,” he says.
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"A lot of potential" means I'll tell Lucas what he wants to hear until he signs the deal. Then we're doing what we want.
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The Batman TV situation was about 10000x more complicated than the Star Wars situation. People like to think it was just about WB vs. Fox, but there was so much more to it than that. I can't imagine that whatever deal is in place with Fox is going to prevent a 9 movie boxset from being released, assuming 9 movie boxsets are still a thing that exist when the time comes.
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Given that word is Fox doesn't even want to talk to Marvel I doubt they are going to entertain the thought of talking to their parent company about SW rights. It's always been a staple cash cow for Fox.
As for the Lucas relationship with the production partners he trusted so much to take over after the sale, Disney going in another way from what Lucas wrote just confirms what we all knew. While Lucas had full control he was surrounded by yes-men who patted him on the back. Now his material is out the window. Going back to Lawrence Kasdan to take over writing duties is probably going to be taken better by the hardcore fans rather than filming another GL script.
As for the Lucas relationship with the production partners he trusted so much to take over after the sale, Disney going in another way from what Lucas wrote just confirms what we all knew. While Lucas had full control he was surrounded by yes-men who patted him on the back. Now his material is out the window. Going back to Lawrence Kasdan to take over writing duties is probably going to be taken better by the hardcore fans rather than filming another GL script.
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It was George's universe, so good or bad, it was his story to tell. I am disheartened with the discarding of his material, unless the outline is published the world will never know how the epic was truly supposed to end.
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George's universe ended in RoTJ. He wrapped up his story in a nice little package. Hell he told us that it was the end of his story.
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Lucas flip flopped on saying there would and would not be a sequel trilogy so often that it's painfully obvious he was making it all up as he went along. Heck, his original plan wasn't even to have Luke and Leia be twins. That was a last minute decision. The original plan was to have the other jedi be the main story of the sequel trilogy, and Luke would go off looking for this jedi. However, at the last minute, Lucas decided to make Leia the other jedi by making her into Luke's sister.
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I honestly think that Disney will find a way to negotiate. Fox I'm sure is unwilling to give up the rights to A New Hope, but really once they lose the rights to The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi they aren't going to have a lot of ground to stand on. They could do a separate release of A New Hope but the money is with the entire Original Trilogy or all the films in a box set. I think they'll work out a deal to license the film out to Disney for box set purposes with them getting a certain cut.