Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
The second version is the the nine part plan Kurtz revealed that was in effect while ESB was filming. In this version, Han would have died in part 6, The Empire would have crushed the Rebellion, and Luke would have gone off on his own. Episode 1 would have detailed the origins of the Force and Jedi, episode 2 would have been the early adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi, and episode 3 would have been the story of Darth Vader. Episodes 7-9 would cover Luke's adventures as a Jedi, introduce his sister (who was not intended to be Leia), and reveal the Emporer in the final part.
The battle of Endor was a huge defeat but if the Empire controls the entire galaxy, there are still TONS of Imperials out there. Some high ranking official not at Endor would assume control. Its like the whole scenario of Washington getting nuked. Top brass gone but America would still be there and able to mobilize all the military everywhere else in the country.
Even in the novels, it took years for the Empire to end the war with the Rebels. Even then, there were pockets of the galaxy that the Empire still ran.
This movie could be the remaining Empire has been regrouping and decided now is the time to reclaim what the Rebels took from them.
Even in the novels, it took years for the Empire to end the war with the Rebels. Even then, there were pockets of the galaxy that the Empire still ran.
This movie could be the remaining Empire has been regrouping and decided now is the time to reclaim what the Rebels took from them.
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I always sort of wondered what actually happened to the Empire after Return of the Jedi. I never read any of the EU stuff so I'm sure some of what happens is expanded on but I would think after the deaths of Vader and the Emperor that there'd be some high ranking Imperial officer or someone who would take over.
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Well they did show them pulling down Vader's statue. That must mean the Empire is destroyed right?
I'm not sure why there weren't Storm Troopers around to shoot those people.
I'm not sure why there weren't Storm Troopers around to shoot those people.
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After the Special Editions, Lucas definitely intended that the mighty Empire was over. All that was left was the ever-shrinking Imperial Remnant.
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I look at the Empire 30 years after the death of The Empire the same way a group like ISIS and Al Qaeda are threats to the world despite various Middle East Dictators dying. The bottom line is Al Qaeda is still going on without Bin Laden, so why can't the Empire still go on without Vader and The Emperor?
That is why TFA needs a to have a cool new villain, so its makes it believable that the Empire still functions as it did during the OT days. I say this new Villain is more of a Bin Laden-style leader where he is not as powerful (maybe he is not even a Sith) but beloved by his followers. The Emperor and Vader led through fear, whereas the ST Villain should lead because his people are loyal to him.
That is why TFA needs a to have a cool new villain, so its makes it believable that the Empire still functions as it did during the OT days. I say this new Villain is more of a Bin Laden-style leader where he is not as powerful (maybe he is not even a Sith) but beloved by his followers. The Emperor and Vader led through fear, whereas the ST Villain should lead because his people are loyal to him.
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I think this was already rumored a while back.
http://www.latino-review.com/news/2n...-released-soon
As much as we all liked the recent teaser trailer for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, I felt a little disappointed that it did not include any footage of our original classic heroes.
We have been waiting for 32 years to see any new footage of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie blasting into new adventures, the wait is almost over.
I got off the phone last night with my source and was able to confirm that we will see the new 2nd teaser trailer that will include all our classic heroes attached to the Avengers: Age of Ultron on May 1st, 2015.
Our friends across the pond will be able to see the new teaser on April 24th, Australia and New Zealand on the 23rd.
“Thank the Maker” that for all our die hard fans that will attending Star Wars Celebration in Anaheim on April 16th through the 19th, I wouldn't be surprised if they will have a special treat and become the first fans this side of Tatooine to see the new teaser trailer.
We have been waiting for 32 years to see any new footage of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie blasting into new adventures, the wait is almost over.
I got off the phone last night with my source and was able to confirm that we will see the new 2nd teaser trailer that will include all our classic heroes attached to the Avengers: Age of Ultron on May 1st, 2015.
Our friends across the pond will be able to see the new teaser on April 24th, Australia and New Zealand on the 23rd.
“Thank the Maker” that for all our die hard fans that will attending Star Wars Celebration in Anaheim on April 16th through the 19th, I wouldn't be surprised if they will have a special treat and become the first fans this side of Tatooine to see the new teaser trailer.
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George Lucas takes credit for reuniting original cast and that it was "all my doing". Per ABC NY News.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
he basically said he had the cast reunited and that he had a story for VII, but then sold(Out) to Disney...
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Which is true... but it's ridiculous to think Disney wouldn't have immediately begun putting that together on their own. How much of George's outline was actually used in the script remains to be seen. Given the rewrites, I'm guessing not as much as he would have liked. He also said he planned to finish Episode VII before selling the company, until Disney stepped in with an offer.
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But yeah, that scene on Coruscant was kind of ridiculous. Being the Imperial capital, it's not going to fall overnight like that. That's going to be a whole other major battle for the rebels to take down the Imperial capital.
Suggestion for the next special edition: Add a scene of ewok rebel commandos taking Coruscant by storm.
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This is old news... and announced at the time of the sale to Disney. My memory is fuzzy, but I think it was part of the deal. Sure Disney could get a new SW off the ground but they have no ties to Hamill, Ford & Fisher and they had no reason to jump back in that space cruiser. Lucas on the other hand gets a script going has some lunches to pull them back in and increase the value of the sale.
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The 70-year-old “Star Wars” creator currently is writing two new features, both experimental movies that hearken back to his student days at the University of Southern California. However, he has no plans to ever release either project publicly.
“The way [the films] are, they’re not really movies that can be released,” Lucas said of his upcoming projects during a recent phone call from New York City, where he was promoting “Strange Magic.” “They’re movies more for myself and maybe I’ll show them to some of my friends.
“It costs more to put them out there than it does to make ‘em,” he continued. “These are movies that are never going to make any money or anything.”
“The way [the films] are, they’re not really movies that can be released,” Lucas said of his upcoming projects during a recent phone call from New York City, where he was promoting “Strange Magic.” “They’re movies more for myself and maybe I’ll show them to some of my friends.
“It costs more to put them out there than it does to make ‘em,” he continued. “These are movies that are never going to make any money or anything.”
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Yeah, he's been BSing the behind-the-scenes storyline for the last 20yrs, nothing new there... but it would be interesting to hear how the original cast was approached to come back. It had to be kind of an off-the-record yes it seems like... sure, Mark and Carrie were easy (assuming they signed off on some kind of a fitness regiment, etc)... but to convince Ford...we'll have to see how that plays out. Whether it's the one pic plus another Indy....we'll just have to wait and see!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
So you're telling me that Luke actually died in the X-Wing crash on Dagobah?
I always imagined it more like the Roman Empire. It's kind of weird, but while watching shows like Rome and Spartacus, I could see ways to adapt them into the Star Wars universe.
I look at the Empire 30 years after the death of The Empire the same way a group like ISIS and Al Qaeda are threats to the world despite various Middle East Dictators dying. The bottom line is Al Qaeda is still going on without Bin Laden, so why can't the Empire still go on without Vader and The Emperor?
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George should take credit for this movie. If he didn't sell to Disney it would never get made.
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I never bought the whole Coruscant stuff when they put out the SEs. Taking that place back would be the subject of a whole new trilogy . It was good to see the place, but it just existed for the sake of throwing a bone to EU people.
I think they will have to retcon the entire SE trilogy as it seems clear Abrams is doing a sequel to the original untainted series.
I think they will have to retcon the entire SE trilogy as it seems clear Abrams is doing a sequel to the original untainted series.
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I don't believe there will be any PT references in the ST (Midiclorians, Jar Jar, Darth Plaguis), so they are essentially making the movies so you don't have to watch the PT to understand any plot points. All of the payoffs in the ST will all be setup in the OT, so they will make up the new 6 movies story.
Of course there will always be 1-6 Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker for fans who like that (I personaly don't) so essentially the OT will be the link to either story you like: PT/OT-SE, or OOT/ST, or of course just the OOT for many old schoolers or just SW'77 for old old schoolers like my older brother and his friends.
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It's funny you said that cause I believe when its all said and done, the new SW Saga will be looked at by many fans as 4,5,6,7,8,9.
I don't believe there will be any PT references in the ST (Midiclorians, Jar Jar, Darth Plaguis), so they are essentially making the movies so you don't have to watch the PT to understand any plot points. All of the payoffs in the ST will all be setup in the OT, so they will make up the new 6 movies story.
Of course there will always be 1-6 Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker for fans who like that (I personaly don't) so essentially the OT will be the link to either story you like: PT/OT-SE, or OOT/ST, or of course just the OOT for many old schoolers or just SW'77 for old old schoolers like my older brother and his friends.
I don't believe there will be any PT references in the ST (Midiclorians, Jar Jar, Darth Plaguis), so they are essentially making the movies so you don't have to watch the PT to understand any plot points. All of the payoffs in the ST will all be setup in the OT, so they will make up the new 6 movies story.
Of course there will always be 1-6 Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker for fans who like that (I personaly don't) so essentially the OT will be the link to either story you like: PT/OT-SE, or OOT/ST, or of course just the OOT for many old schoolers or just SW'77 for old old schoolers like my older brother and his friends.
And there's zero evidence that JJA has gone out of his way to avoid doing the same. The events of the PT are what, like 50 years before the events of the ST? That would keep the direct references at a minimum for anyone writing a sequel trilogy even if they loved the PT.
As for considering the original version of the trilogy canon? Same thing. The handful of contradictory elements aren't gonna be addressed. I guarantee you Han doesn't have a monologue reminiscing about shooting Greedo first 50 years before. The ST is gonna "fit" with either version of the films.
In the big picture I'd be shocked if the latest revision of the OT wasn't the "default" or "canon" version. Its the version that will be most consistent as a middle chapter between the PT and the ST. Its the one that will be in the saga box set. And if the UOT is ever released its gonna be its own thing that the small-but-vocal group of purists will be able to buy if they want.
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This (and the quoted text) is nothing but wishful thinking. The PT is firmly in the new Disney canon along with Clone Wars and every bit of Disney Star Wars has incorporated PT elements. The Marvel comic has. The novels have. Rebels certainly has.
And there's zero evidence that JJA has gone out of his way to avoid doing the same. The events of the PT are what, like 50 years before the events of the ST? That would keep the direct references at a minimum for anyone writing a sequel trilogy even if they loved the PT.
As for considering the original version of the trilogy canon? Same thing. The handful of contradictory elements aren't gonna be addressed. I guarantee you Han doesn't have a monologue reminiscing about shooting Greedo first 50 years before. The ST is gonna "fit" with either version of the films.
In the big picture I'd be shocked if the latest revision of the OT wasn't the "default" or "canon" version. Its the version that will be most consistent as a middle chapter between the PT and the ST. Its the one that will be in the saga box set. And if the UOT is ever released its gonna be its own thing that the small-but-vocal group of purists will be able to buy if they want.
And there's zero evidence that JJA has gone out of his way to avoid doing the same. The events of the PT are what, like 50 years before the events of the ST? That would keep the direct references at a minimum for anyone writing a sequel trilogy even if they loved the PT.
As for considering the original version of the trilogy canon? Same thing. The handful of contradictory elements aren't gonna be addressed. I guarantee you Han doesn't have a monologue reminiscing about shooting Greedo first 50 years before. The ST is gonna "fit" with either version of the films.
In the big picture I'd be shocked if the latest revision of the OT wasn't the "default" or "canon" version. Its the version that will be most consistent as a middle chapter between the PT and the ST. Its the one that will be in the saga box set. And if the UOT is ever released its gonna be its own thing that the small-but-vocal group of purists will be able to buy if they want.
I was talking more about the fans and how they perceive the movies when it is all said and done. As you said, because of the 50 years different between Episode 1 & Episode 7, there isn't many PT references that can be made, but I also believe JJ isn't going to throw in there something about Midiclorians or where Jar Jar is hanging out now, as I firmly believe Lucas would have done this if he were making Episode 7.