Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
10-25-13, 07:19 AM
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I don't think that conversation really pertains to Obi-Wan dying from old age. Its more that Tarkin probably didn't think that a Jedi could successfully hide himself from the Empire for nearly 20 years, so he must be dead since he was never discovered.
10-25-13, 07:21 AM
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Since the "Story by" credit will definitely go to Lucas, I wonder if Arndt will even be getting a credit on this thing. Kasdan is already responsible for providing the script for the best Star Wars movie to date with Empire (they pretty much threw out Leigh Brackett's draft -- though she retained a posthumous co-writer credit). I feel it's in good hands, as long as J.J. doesn't decide to bring in Lindelof as a consultant.
The fact that Lawrence hasn't tackled something like this since Return of the Jedi does make me curious about the outcome. Granted, I haven't seen much of his post-80s work other than The Bodyguard (meh) and Dreamcatcher (which was terrible, but a hard novel to adapt for the screen).
10-25-13, 07:37 AM
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An image published in a recent issue of the New England Journal of Medicine paints a clear picture of what kind of damage the sun can cause a person's skin.
This unidentified 69-year-old trucker (pictured above) who has been on the road for 28 years has accumulated lots of exposure to ultraviolet A (UVA) radiation.
The man's condition is called unilateral dermatoheliosis and the man's skin has been gradually thickening over the past 25 years.
UVA rays transmit through clouds and window glass to penetrate the skin's layers, and have been tied to aging and wrinkles. According to the journal, chronic UVA exposure can result in thickening of the skin's top layers, the epidermis and stratum corneum, as well as destruction of the skin's elastic fibers. The truck driver took the brunt of the damage on the left side of his face because of his many hours behind the wheel.
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10-25-13, 08:52 AM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams, S: The casts of Star Trek, Lost, Felicit
I think the one thing is that Lucas would have probably never made the SW universe so small meaning everyone ended up being related. On one hand, the Vader revelation was great in 1980, but the Luke/Leia siblings in 1983 really soured the series.
10-25-13, 08:57 AM
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Rumors (and they're just rumors at this point, as Disney is never going to confirm such a thing) is that JJ was so frustrated with the screenplay (which was based on Lucas' outline) that they decided to just throw out the whole thing and start again fresh.
It probably means we won't see a new film until 2016 now - and hopefully it doesn't mean the original actors aren't coming back (if anything, I hope it means bigger roles for them), but considering Lucas' storytelling track record this century, I can't see this as anything but good news.
It probably means we won't see a new film until 2016 now - and hopefully it doesn't mean the original actors aren't coming back (if anything, I hope it means bigger roles for them), but considering Lucas' storytelling track record this century, I can't see this as anything but good news.
10-25-13, 09:03 AM
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Come to think of it, Owen and Beru aged a lot between the trilogies, too.
And I could never get a feel on how old Luke was supposed to be in ANH. He looked like he was in the 18-21 range, but acted like he was twelve.
Those twin suns must be motherfuckers.
And I could never get a feel on how old Luke was supposed to be in ANH. He looked like he was in the 18-21 range, but acted like he was twelve.
Those twin suns must be motherfuckers.
10-25-13, 09:46 AM
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I know from past interviews that George thinks he is the only person credible enough to decide what should and should not be in a Star Wars film, yet his own follow ups have proven that he had little grasp on what made the original films connect with audiences as strongly as they did -- namely, relatable characters and a real sense of adventure/wonder. He may be "the creator", but the midichlorians speech alone shows how out of touch he was regarding what the Star Wars mythology meant to it's fanbase.
10-25-13, 10:39 AM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015, D: Abrams, S: The casts of Star Trek, Lost, Felicit
Rumors (and they're just rumors at this point, as Disney is never going to confirm such a thing) is that JJ was so frustrated with the screenplay (which was based on Lucas' outline) that they decided to just throw out the whole thing and start again fresh.
It probably means we won't see a new film until 2016 now - and hopefully it doesn't mean the original actors aren't coming back (if anything, I hope it means bigger roles for them), but considering Lucas' storytelling track record this century, I can't see this as anything but good news.
It probably means we won't see a new film until 2016 now - and hopefully it doesn't mean the original actors aren't coming back (if anything, I hope it means bigger roles for them), but considering Lucas' storytelling track record this century, I can't see this as anything but good news.
There was never a point that Ardnt was given free reign, it was a collaborative arrangement from day one. By the time the announcement was made, Ardnt had been working with Lucasfilm for four months.
By the time of J.J. Abrams announcement on the 25th January it was also confirmed that “also consulting on the project are Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg.”.
They had been in place for some time before J.J. came on board. Again, the point being the creative aspects of the project was a group collaboration.
After a year working on the project, at all times meeting in creative writing groups, Ardnt departed in late August / early September with his work effectively done. He had delivered a script that was being used for creative design and development, and with a long line of films seeking his writing skills he sought a fresh challenge. The evolution of his work will continue through Kasdan and Abrams.
There is no dramatic change of direction, there is no new script being written from scratch. Kasdan and Abrams are getting the credit they deserve for their input to date, and for polishing the script between now and shooting. Ardnt’s story remains intact. We are at an advanced stage in the creative phase. Costumes are being designed, sets are being designed and concept work has begun on the special effects.
As with many Hollywood press announcements, the decisions and actions were taken some time ago. As of Friday 25th October Kasdan and Abrams are not sitting down thinking, 'ok what are we going to write about?' Those calls were made long ago in group consultation, and written by Ardnt. The script is in hand – it is being evolved and will continue to be tweaked until the day of shooting, and then probably during the shoot. That is the life of movie making.
By the time of J.J. Abrams announcement on the 25th January it was also confirmed that “also consulting on the project are Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg.”.
They had been in place for some time before J.J. came on board. Again, the point being the creative aspects of the project was a group collaboration.
After a year working on the project, at all times meeting in creative writing groups, Ardnt departed in late August / early September with his work effectively done. He had delivered a script that was being used for creative design and development, and with a long line of films seeking his writing skills he sought a fresh challenge. The evolution of his work will continue through Kasdan and Abrams.
There is no dramatic change of direction, there is no new script being written from scratch. Kasdan and Abrams are getting the credit they deserve for their input to date, and for polishing the script between now and shooting. Ardnt’s story remains intact. We are at an advanced stage in the creative phase. Costumes are being designed, sets are being designed and concept work has begun on the special effects.
As with many Hollywood press announcements, the decisions and actions were taken some time ago. As of Friday 25th October Kasdan and Abrams are not sitting down thinking, 'ok what are we going to write about?' Those calls were made long ago in group consultation, and written by Ardnt. The script is in hand – it is being evolved and will continue to be tweaked until the day of shooting, and then probably during the shoot. That is the life of movie making.
10-25-13, 10:48 AM
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10-25-13, 11:07 AM
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Luke and Leia were never originally intended to be siblings. It was pretty obvious with the love triangle between Luke, Leia, and Han in ESB. The "other hope" mentioned by Yoda and Obi-Wan was supposed to be a new character that would be the main plot of Episodes VII-IX. Luke was supposed to go off and find this person. When VII-IX got dropped, Lucas had to wrap that plot point up quickly and so he made Leia into the other hope by making her Luke's sister.
10-25-13, 11:15 AM
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I always took that as less about his age, and more about the fact that he'd been missing from the scene for decades. For someone who was a General, a pretty badass Jedi, to just vanish and not at least be a thorn in the side of the Empire would lead one to the conclusion that Obi Wan was either a big pussy, or dead.
10-25-13, 11:34 AM
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I always took that as less about his age, and more about the fact that he'd been missing from the scene for decades. For someone who was a General, a pretty badass Jedi, to just vanish and not at least be a thorn in the side of the Empire would lead one to the conclusion that Obi Wan was either a big pussy, or dead.
10-25-13, 11:54 AM
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That's like me saying I don't think the Steel Curtain existed in the NFL in the 70s because I was too young to remember or see it in action.
Now there's the real question. Why aren't the people of Tattooine more tan?
10-25-13, 12:18 PM
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Yeah, Han should have been around 10 or so when Ep3 took place. Seeing news feeds about the Clone Wars & Jedi would have been common. I guess the Empire could have been trying to wipe out info on the Jedi or direct newsstations not to mention them after they were in power. Regular people kept remories to themselves and not pass it along to kids so the Empire wouldn't notice them.
10-25-13, 12:28 PM
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I always took that as less about his age, and more about the fact that he'd been missing from the scene for decades. For someone who was a General, a pretty badass Jedi, to just vanish and not at least be a thorn in the side of the Empire would lead one to the conclusion that Obi Wan was either a big pussy, or dead.
Yeah I would have assumed both Kenobi as well as Yoda were dead because neither tried to kill the Emperor. For as much shit as Luke takes they sure passed the buck to him with very little training. Out of all of them I would call Yoda the biggest pussy of them all in hindsight.
Vader says, "do not underestimate the power of the Force," which strongly implies that it's Kenobi's proficiency with the Force that allows him to still be alive. This could be either Kenobi having an extended lifespan, or perhaps being able to shield his presence wherever he's hiding. However, it seems clear from Vader's response that he doesn't think Tarkin was suggesting Kenobi was a coward.
Also, Tarkin says, "surely he must be dead by now," and not just "surely he must be dead." So time plays a factor in Tarkin's opinion of the likelyhood of Kenobi being alive. It could be just the unlikelyhood of evading capture for that long, but it seems more likely concerning age. Also, there's a number of references to Kenobi's age in the movie, with Owen calling him an "old wizard," and Kenobi himself saying he hadn't used the name Obi-Wan in a long, long time, before Luke was born (which itself is an inconsistency with the prequel trilogy). To me, the indication is that Kenobi was intended to be very old when they made the first film.
Interestingly, I was looking for what evidence there was before the prequels came out about Obi-Wan's age. The estimates among fans was anywhere between 50-500 years old:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...rs/zLhvbfSczcM
10-25-13, 12:40 PM
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http://www.space.com/19962-habitable...ary-stars.html
Planets orbiting binary star systems have to deal with the stresses of more than one star. But new research reveals that close binaries could be as good as singles when it comes to hosting habitable planets. Low-mass twins could make the best hosts, because their combined energy extends the habitable region farther away than would exist around a single star.
After modeling a variety of binary systems, two astronomers determined that stars 80 percent as massive as the Sun, if close enough together, could allow for conditions that would be ideal for hosting habitable planets.
"Potentially, life could exist even more in binary systems than it does in single systems," Joni Clark, an undergraduate at New Mexico State University, told Astrobiology Magazine. Clark worked with astrophysicist Paul Mason of the University of Texas at El Paso.
After modeling a variety of binary systems, two astronomers determined that stars 80 percent as massive as the Sun, if close enough together, could allow for conditions that would be ideal for hosting habitable planets.
"Potentially, life could exist even more in binary systems than it does in single systems," Joni Clark, an undergraduate at New Mexico State University, told Astrobiology Magazine. Clark worked with astrophysicist Paul Mason of the University of Texas at El Paso.
10-25-13, 01:21 PM
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Yeah I would have assumed both Kenobi as well as Yoda were dead because neither tried to kill the Emperor. For as much shit as Luke takes they sure passed the buck to him with very little training. Out of all of them I would call Yoda the biggest pussy of them all in hindsight.
Having two suns in a solar system may actually increase the odds of habitable planets, not reduce it:
http://www.space.com/19962-habitable...ary-stars.html
http://www.space.com/19962-habitable...ary-stars.html
10-25-13, 01:30 PM
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Yes.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3-20...y-star-system/
Binary star systems are actually incredibly common:
http://www.space.com/22509-binary-stars.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3-20...y-star-system/
http://www.space.com/22509-binary-stars.html
More than four-fifths of the single points of light we observe in the night sky are actually two or more stars orbiting together. The most common of the multiple star systems are binary stars, systems of only two stars together
10-25-13, 02:49 PM
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The timeline between the two trilogies is definitely FUBAR. None of it aligns right. I've mentioned it before but the biggest thing that bugs me is Han's line about "hokey religion and ancient weapons." That's something someone says about something that happened in the distant past. The Jedi/Sith were in power during his lifetime. As a child, he may have never seen a Jedi in person or someone use the force directly but that shouldn't matter. They clearly existed.
That's like me saying I don't think the Steel Curtain existed in the NFL in the 70s because I was too young to remember or see it in action.
Now there's the real question. Why aren't the people of Tattooine more tan?
That's like me saying I don't think the Steel Curtain existed in the NFL in the 70s because I was too young to remember or see it in action.
Now there's the real question. Why aren't the people of Tattooine more tan?
Yeah, Han should have been around 10 or so when Ep3 took place. Seeing news feeds about the Clone Wars & Jedi would have been common. I guess the Empire could have been trying to wipe out info on the Jedi or direct newsstations not to mention them after they were in power. Regular people kept remories to themselves and not pass it along to kids so the Empire wouldn't notice them.
With the resources the Empire had, I don't find it that hard to believe they could scrub the archives of the truth about the Clone Wars.
10-25-13, 04:02 PM
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I agree Kasdan was a big part of what made ESB so great, and his work in the years around ESB was also great, but he hasn't done anything that interesting in 20 years. Do people think has a special insight on how this universe should be portrayed on screen, or is this more nostalgia?
Has there been any official confirmation that there' some kind of announcement coming, or is it just speculation on the part of the fandom?
10-25-13, 04:29 PM
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That's fine, but it still is fair for many who were disappointed by the prequels to say that they will wait for reviews.
10-25-13, 07:19 PM
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I saw all three prequels opening night at their midnight releases. I saw AotC even though I hated TPM but thought it had to be better. It wasn't. Same thing with RotS but they won't get me this time. I will wait for reviews and at midnight on release day I will be asleep in my comfy and warm bed.
10-25-13, 11:45 PM
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I saw all three prequels opening night at their midnight releases. I saw AotC even though I hated TPM but thought it had to be better. It wasn't. Same thing with RotS but they won't get me this time. I will wait for reviews and at midnight on release day I will be asleep in my comfy and warm bed.
10-26-13, 06:40 AM
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I believe Abrams said from day one that he wasn't committed to Disney's release schedule and he must be slightly resentful that Disney had already booked studio space in the UK when he was dead set on filming in California. He's already moaned about that in the media several times. I also read that Ardnt was spotted with J.J. during the Star Trek: Into Darnkess media tour so they could work together on developing the script. The fact that he's now been removed from the equation with no real explanation does not indicate (to me, anyway) that Arndt took the story as far as he could and everyone was satisfied.
Right now, Kasdan's involvement is the only thing keeping me optimistic about the story, as J.J.'s judgment on what constitutes a great script is somewhat questionable. Into Darkness took four years to make because they wanted to find the right story... and just look at the movie we got. Was it really worth the wait? I know Abram's didn't write the script, but it was his baby. Though I haven't read it, I believe his Superman screenplay was also disliked by fans.
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