Solid Snake

Yeah, but... they really fear people would confuse two mediums in having connection or what?

hanshotfirst1138

They do indeed, it's why Batman characters were embargoed for JLU.

Mike86

It really is pretty silly. What's worse though is the DC TV shows like Arrow and The Flash are both strong and to build them into their film universe would make a ton of sense.

Obi-Wanma

I get that they're not connected, but given that, not allowing differing versions of what are, at best, supporting characters to appear in both mediums is kind of silly when you're going to have a differing, prominent Flash in each medium. That's the point I was attempting to make.

Giantrobo

Fair enough.

Hokeyboy

Not true.

The Batman characters -- the villains, really -- were forbidden to JLU because of that absolutely craptacular "The Batman" cartoon that came out in the mid 2000s. Nothing to do with the movies at all.

fujishig

The Hank Henshaw character on Supergirl is basically unrecognizable at this point; I think they could still use him as a character in the movies as long as both don't go Cyborg Superman or anything.

I'm not really sure how you get to Cyborg Supes, though. I don't think they could do the whole Death of Superman and replacement Superman arc, that would be a mess. And I'm not sure they want Cavill vs. Terminator Cavill as a main event, though what do I know? I'd actually kinda like a Maxima/Mongul movie, but I doubt they leave Earth in a Supes standalone.

Timber

I don't think they'd have to do him as identical. Maybe an Eradicator type of backstory or one of the Kyptonians from Zod's group that starts pretending to be good and gets the support of the government



I just love this image and I wasn't even a DC fan at the time but they sucked me in.

PhantomStranger

I believe they allowed the Flash his own television series before the movie to build brand awareness for the character. While he's well-known to comic book fans, the Flash was virtually unknown to mainstream audiences before this CW series. One failed television season in the 1990s hadn't really introduced the character to mainstream audiences beyond Super Friends and the kids that saw Justice League Unlimited.

WB understands that another television series for Batman and Superman wouldn't really help those characters' popularity.

Solid Snake

That ideology doesn't work though. Look at Guardians of the Galaxy. TOTALLY a bunch of unknowns compared to Flash. It was a success.

Is WB so afraid of risks w/ the DC property that it has to test out a character w/ TV?

Shazam

Well yeah but when people think of "The Flash" they think it's about some guy showing his donger.

The Valeyard

Shazam

He's just getting ready for a long run.

Mike86

The Flash isn't that unknown I wouldn't think. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine most people probably would recognize the character's name/appearance. The general public likely isn't overly familiar with him in terms of his backstory and abilities and whatnot, but he's not that obscure.

It seems a bit silly to me to waste resources on the same character in two mediums when they have a perfectly good version established that already has some backstory. It'd be awesome to see certain things on the CW show lead into the DC Film Universe (not so tied that you have to watch it but just enough to get fans hyped). To me that makes a ton of sense and would be a great way to capitalize on both mediums.

Shazam

Yeah I agree with you. Overall DC just hasn't done a good job with their assets.

fujishig

You know they would do the exact opposite of what you want, and cancel the TV show in lieu of the movie version. I'm fine with "wasting" resources in multiple mediums.

Heck, Marvel has an Avengers cartoon that is kinda sorta influenced by the movieverse but is clearly it's own thing, a separate Spider-man cartoon that crosses over with the Avengers constantly and has movie Fury and Coulson, a separate Hulk cartoon that has similar character designs but is otherwise a way different hulk, all at the same time it's hocking the movie. I don't get why DC was so protective of it's characters crossing over before.

PopcornTreeCt

I think the Flash could be DC's "Iron Man". In the hands of the right director, and the right lead, it could be a super fun, action movie that launches a billion dollar franchise. They would just have to cut out all that dark-themed shit they're doing.

TheMovieman

Lord and Miller apparently are working on the script, so it could be fun.

Mike86

I doubt they're cutting the dark tones out anytime soon. The whole universe they're creating is based on a more dark and serious tone. Plus they said something along the lines of how they're making films with superheroes, but aren't making superhero films. I think Green Lantern was sort of their answer to Downey Jr. as Stark/Iron Man and they tanked it big time.

Solid Snake

Lord & Miller are doing the Flash film. That's probably the best news of it all. THEY could make that character work and not pander to be a crap character on the emotional scale too. I'm super excited to see what they do w/ that cuz I've not been impressed w/ the characters on the Flash show. Most, Allen included, are very much stock cliche characters w/o a soul to them. Some are good though.

Michael Corvin

Bah humbug. The show is awesome.

I'm of the opinion that doesn't mind them keeping tv/movies separate, but damn, after this season I'm questioning that stance. They absolutely hit a home run with the Flash and now I wouldn't mind them mixing this version up in theaters.

Solid Snake

Barry comes off as cliche hero w/ the personality accustomed to CW quality. Iris is shit. Eddie Thawne is/was that guy that stuck in a triangle. The show is very unimaginable in how unique Barry is w/ his powers.From the more modern comics I've read they always came w/ a way that something could take Flash for a loop. The show doesn't do it a lot. Sometimes it does but sometimes Barry doesn't even use simple deduction of an environment or situation

I will admit that it had a lot passion for the superhero nature and that's great cuz it's mostly willing to go there w/o shame but it's also depending on the narrative... which isn't written well. That spirit for the world is admirable, very much so.

Wells was awesome though. They really worked hard on that guy, played convincingly by a an actor who can do those characters that inhabit such a nature. I didn't care for the team nature of it. Cisco and Caitlin are annoying. Cisco especially. Again... very hard on stock characters. Which is a very very hard thing for me to take. Even if it's basic TV. It's better than AoS though. It's just these characters don't have a spirit beyond what, I guess, is demanded from Basic TV standards. I also find a lot of the emotions unearned and weak. Lacking proper depth for the spirit of the emotion to feel "real" in a situation calling for the emotional hurt.

I guess it all falls in the writing mostly. People love the guy playing Flash but based on how he's written, the actor seems to be alright. Not great not bad. It's CW.

majorjoe23

He's also new to his powers. It would be boring if he arrived fully formed, able to solve all problems and at the height of his power. It worked the same way for both Wally and Barry in the comics.

I guarantee after a few seasons he'll be vibrating through stuff and using his powers more imaginatively. But for serialized fiction you want your character to start as the student, not the master. It gives them somewhere to go.

Solid Snake

It's not what he has learned w/ his powers, I get that. The guy will learn over time. That's fine. But the situations they put him in aren't that hard for a guy w/ superspeed a lot of the time. Many situations are low level a lot of the time for a guy who can go at superspeed. Green gas guy, lady w/ those small robotic insects, and Multiplying guy come to mind.

Mike86

The series isn't perfect from what I've seen but it's damn good. Especially for a show in its first season. The kinks it has are all things that can be worked out over time. I just think using the Barry from that series and Oliver from Arrow makes a lot of sense. Both shows seem to fit with the overall tone that they're going for and when they get to the Justice League film could be incorporated fairly easily.

The only issue would be for people who haven't seen the shows, but the way they're going about it all the secondary characters like The Flash don't seem to matter anyways and are just guests in another Batman and Superman film. At least this way people who wanted to could go back to the shows and get more background on the characters and that could also amp up ratings for both Arrow and The Flash. Not only that but it also makes more sense than having a character existing in both a tv series and film series as some are bound to get the two confused.