Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Supes fighting WW in the trailer? Seems to be like Injustice: Gods Among Us type of plot
07-13-15, 11:31 AM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Probably already posted, but worth posting again. Found this on another forum:
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
And considering they're never met till now... I'm guessing that's an issue too seeing how they be opposing viewpoints w/ her too.
07-13-15, 12:09 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I'm still concerned about the casting. Ben Affleck has never interested me as an actor. Henry Cavill looks perfect but is so wooden in the role (and in real life too). Jesse Eisenberg is not impressing me at all based on that trailer. Amy Adams has that "I've got 5 effin' Oscar nominations! What am I doing in this movie?" look. I'm actually neutral on Gal Gadot as I've only seen her in the Furious movies and thought she did fine there for what she had to do.
Cavill, my one beef with him is aside from what probably amounts to less than 30 seconds of screen time, he has ONE expression on his face the whole movie. Furrowed eyebrows. That's. it. This trailer doesn't seem to change that pattern. That look always makes him either confused or conflicted. Which isn't really what you want for your Superman character. He should KNOW what to do.
It's even more upsetting when you see him on the Man from U.N.C.L.E. because obviously the guy can do more than just furrow his eyebrows. So I don't know if it's a directorial choice that he has that look on his face.
I don't really care about the other supporting cast in the movie. The two above are the selling points of the movie anyway.
Eh. Not really.
A good steward of the property (a Kevin Feige equivalent at Warner or Legendary) would have made sure to balance to the pretty and voluminous destruction porn with a stronger display of Superman trying to avert destruction, trying to save innocent lives, and just generally being closer to the caring boy scout he should be. And yes, the world engine stuff was "saving the planet" but it is an existential threat. It doesn't carry the same immediacy or resonance that saving actual people does.
The point is, you could easily set up the situation so that the world (and Bruce) see the events in a general way which make it appear that Superman is a threat to the human race. While we, in a more omniscient position, see him as brutally misjudged...not merely misjudged because of the fact that we know, from 80 yrs of corporate branding, that he's actually this superior hero. All we should know is from what we saw in the film.
And what I saw was a reckless, destructive 'savior' who is likely to do as much damage as he is good.
Bruce is shown almost immediately performing a heroic, selfless act. We also see the MoS devastation from a powerless, 'man on the street' perspective. They further load it up with sympathy bait by showing his parents killed, funerals, Robins memorial display. Contrast that with most significant insight into his opponents character being in the form of his mother's counsel to essentially "fuck 'em. They don't deserve you. Do whatever you want."
Take away the superman suit. Make this a generic God-like super powered character whom no one in the audience has any prior appreciation or knowledge for before the first film and you just don't have a whole lot there to muster enthusiasm or sympathy for him. He's a walking disaster attractor whether he means to be or not. The whole point of MOS seemed to be- for the good of the planet, someone take this guy away.
A good steward of the property (a Kevin Feige equivalent at Warner or Legendary) would have made sure to balance to the pretty and voluminous destruction porn with a stronger display of Superman trying to avert destruction, trying to save innocent lives, and just generally being closer to the caring boy scout he should be. And yes, the world engine stuff was "saving the planet" but it is an existential threat. It doesn't carry the same immediacy or resonance that saving actual people does.
The point is, you could easily set up the situation so that the world (and Bruce) see the events in a general way which make it appear that Superman is a threat to the human race. While we, in a more omniscient position, see him as brutally misjudged...not merely misjudged because of the fact that we know, from 80 yrs of corporate branding, that he's actually this superior hero. All we should know is from what we saw in the film.
And what I saw was a reckless, destructive 'savior' who is likely to do as much damage as he is good.
Bruce is shown almost immediately performing a heroic, selfless act. We also see the MoS devastation from a powerless, 'man on the street' perspective. They further load it up with sympathy bait by showing his parents killed, funerals, Robins memorial display. Contrast that with most significant insight into his opponents character being in the form of his mother's counsel to essentially "fuck 'em. They don't deserve you. Do whatever you want."
Take away the superman suit. Make this a generic God-like super powered character whom no one in the audience has any prior appreciation or knowledge for before the first film and you just don't have a whole lot there to muster enthusiasm or sympathy for him. He's a walking disaster attractor whether he means to be or not. The whole point of MOS seemed to be- for the good of the planet, someone take this guy away.
07-13-15, 12:21 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I've been on team Batfleck ever since he was announced. Never had a problem with him and this trailer doesn't change any of that.
Cavill, my one beef with him is aside from what probably amounts to less than 30 seconds of screen time, he has ONE expression on his face the whole movie. Furrowed eyebrows. That's. it. This trailer doesn't seem to change that pattern. That look always makes him either confused or conflicted. Which isn't really what you want for your Superman character. He should KNOW what to do.
It's even more upsetting when you see him on the Man from U.N.C.L.E. because obviously the guy can do more than just furrow his eyebrows. So I don't know if it's a directorial choice that he has that look on his face.
I don't really care about the other supporting cast in the movie. The two above are the selling points of the movie anyway.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Cavill, my one beef with him is aside from what probably amounts to less than 30 seconds of screen time, he has ONE expression on his face the whole movie. Furrowed eyebrows. That's. it. This trailer doesn't seem to change that pattern. That look always makes him either confused or conflicted. Which isn't really what you want for your Superman character. He should KNOW what to do.
It's even more upsetting when you see him on the Man from U.N.C.L.E. because obviously the guy can do more than just furrow his eyebrows. So I don't know if it's a directorial choice that he has that look on his face.
I don't really care about the other supporting cast in the movie. The two above are the selling points of the movie anyway.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Also take note that he has NEVER faced anything like this before either. How is he supposed to know how much can happen by the time it does?
The destruction was necessary. Like it or not. And it seems like the destruction is now narratively supported w/ this film pointing the finger at Superman. It's asking the right questions but again... it all falls on the scripting.
07-13-15, 12:31 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
These aren't real people. These are characters being steered around by a writer and director.
It seems silly to say they had no choice but to do things exactly the way they did them.
Of course they had a choice- the director and writer had a choice and they chose voluminous amounts of destruction porn, when one building collapsing , from a man on the street point of view, would have been PLENTY to get across the ferocity of the battle.
You can see that here in this trailer. Bruce's helpless POV is what gives that sequence so much impact even though it lasts all of a 5 seconds.
By contrast, all we get from MOS is destruction seen from the two combatants POV- which is cool looking 'splosions and glass shattering, but lacks a human element to give it any kind of emotional scope. It's all just visceral sensation. That's why people complain about the material having no soul.
It's just not enough that we finally get that dimension in the sequel. Its absence in the original film was a glaring one.
It seems silly to say they had no choice but to do things exactly the way they did them.
Of course they had a choice- the director and writer had a choice and they chose voluminous amounts of destruction porn, when one building collapsing , from a man on the street point of view, would have been PLENTY to get across the ferocity of the battle.
You can see that here in this trailer. Bruce's helpless POV is what gives that sequence so much impact even though it lasts all of a 5 seconds.
By contrast, all we get from MOS is destruction seen from the two combatants POV- which is cool looking 'splosions and glass shattering, but lacks a human element to give it any kind of emotional scope. It's all just visceral sensation. That's why people complain about the material having no soul.
It's just not enough that we finally get that dimension in the sequel. Its absence in the original film was a glaring one.
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07-13-15, 12:46 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Right. You could write a story where Superman had to kill Lois and kick a dog in order to save the world, but why do it? Especially when you don't have time in the movie to deal with the aftermath?
07-13-15, 12:54 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Yeah. But there does need to be major casualties in these things. And a repercussion of it all. Seems like MCU is handling this now. Though there has been mention of casualties in that world.
Staying w/ WB here, They've established a world that is damn near close to ours. Allowing it to be critical about god(s) among man's land. I mean, we've a very questioned culture. Not totally accepting a god saving us and not saving all seems a worthy thing to bring up. The ideas aren't bad but the execution may be.
Staying w/ WB here, They've established a world that is damn near close to ours. Allowing it to be critical about god(s) among man's land. I mean, we've a very questioned culture. Not totally accepting a god saving us and not saving all seems a worthy thing to bring up. The ideas aren't bad but the execution may be.
07-13-15, 01:41 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Care to expand on that? Is there some rule that Bruce can never marry and have kids of his own? I don't read the comics but from the movies they make him out to be a rich playboy that sleeps with multiple women. It's not a far stretch that one of those woman gets pregnant and carries Bruce Wayne's kid.
07-13-15, 01:46 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Care to expand on that? Is there some rule that Bruce can never marry and have kids of his own? I don't read the comics but from the movies they make him out to be a rich playboy that sleeps with multiple women. It's not a far stretch that one of those woman gets pregnant and carries Bruce Wayne's kid.
I don't think that this movie will go the wife/kid route though. It would be interesting though because it could be a way to tie it to Nolan's trilogy if Catwoman was killed in the Zod invasion and Batman decides to come out of retirement because of that. But of course Nolan's trilogy isn't canon to this movie.
07-13-15, 01:47 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
There's not a rule that Bruce couldn't be married he just doesn't have many long term relationships. He did get Talia al Ghul pregnant and she had Damian Wayne, but I somehow don't think they'll introduce that aspect at this point.
Edit: kgrogers1979 beat me to it.
Edit: kgrogers1979 beat me to it.
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07-13-15, 01:54 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
WB obviously missed casting one more role:
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07-13-15, 01:55 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I think too that the majority of the time Bruce just acts like a playboy to keep suspicion off of his Batman activities, but he isn't really into the whole playboy thing. If he didn't have to be Batman, then I don't think he would choose the playboy lifestyle and would settle down. Nolan's Batman definitely gave me that impression too.
07-13-15, 01:57 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
That's been implied pretty heavily over the years that Bruce isn't exactly into his playboy persona and doesn't really necessarily care about all the models that he could sleep with. He seems to find more interest in women who are somewhat like him such as Selina or Talia. The playboy aspect of Bruce is more just to keep up appearances but it isn't who he really is.
07-13-15, 02:03 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
If they did go the married Bruce route, I could see them going the Huntress route for eventual sequels if the rumor of
is true. Could make for their own version of the Damian Wayne versus Tim Drake dynamic
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07-13-15, 02:31 PM
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07-13-15, 03:01 PM
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07-13-15, 03:51 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I thought this was a pretty good trailer. I was really skeptical at first but it looks like Gal Gadot might make a really good Wonder Woman. The image of the Batwing flying through the sky was awesome, and it seems like we have a bat suit closer to the comics.
But damn, why does every film version of Lex Luthor have to act like a cornball?
But damn, why does every film version of Lex Luthor have to act like a cornball?
07-13-15, 04:24 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
I thought this was a pretty good trailer. I was really skeptical at first but it looks like Gal Gadot might make a really good Wonder Woman. The image of the Batwing flying through the sky was awesome, and it seems like we have a bat suit closer to the comics.
But damn, why does every film version of Lex Luthor have to act like a cornball?
But damn, why does every film version of Lex Luthor have to act like a cornball?
Until it collapsed into self-parody, I thought Michael Rosenbaum on Smallville easily did the best Lex of any live-action version we've seen. Hell, they do a better job with Lex in video games than they do in movies/TV. It's kinda silly.
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
Yeah. He was an adult man. None of this BSing attitude. He was a fucking threat without even moving from his desk. LOVED him so much in the latter half of the JL show.
07-13-15, 04:51 PM
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Re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
He's easily my favorite Lex. All business, no bullshit.
Would have been a different way to go, but Dwayne Johnson gives off some of that animated Lex aura.
But I'm curious to see the Eisenberg take on the character. I think it will be good.
Would have been a different way to go, but Dwayne Johnson gives off some of that animated Lex aura.
But I'm curious to see the Eisenberg take on the character. I think it will be good.
