TheMovieman

Good catch.


BTW, I just thought, I wonder if this Luthor might be akin to Howard Hughes. An insane genius.

Maxflier

I think so too. Do people really wear guns strapped to the middle of their chest like that?

Spiderbite

That's a good point. The trailer for MOS was fantastic and I think that is what hurt so much after walking out of the theater after seeing the final movie. Too high of expectations. I watched it the other day and I didn't hate it as I originally had, it still is a deeply flawed film and not very enjoyable.

I am keeping my expectations in check this time, great trailer be damned.

Why So Blu?

Not only do they have kryptonite but you see that they have Zod's body, so who knows if they'll do something with his blood or whatever to put into Bat's suit in addition to the kryptonite.

TheMovieman

That's true as well.

Also, has it been confirmed the placement of Gotham in relation to Metropolis in the DCMU? I only ask as watching the trailer again, the fallen sign says "Wayne Financials" which would make sense if Metropolis is more like New York City where Wayne would have a separate building while Wayne Industries would be headquartered in Gotham which could still be some distance away. Reason I ask, it was assumed the fight between Superman and Zod also might've taken place in Gotham, before finishing in Metropolis, due to the Wayne building...

Paul_SD

I've heard comparisons to Oakland and San Francisco.

I get the feeling that, if not directly across a bay or body of water, it will be a situation like the northeast corridor where Boston, New York, and Washington are relatively close together.
It does not sound like a Chicago/New York distance between them.

The close proximity is probably because a threat to both cities will arise in the third act.

Looking at the "kyrptonite", it sort of looks brain shaped to me. Larger than a brain, but that could be the result of foreshortening.

Draven

Fair enought - two things:

1) It's from the Daily Planet, so it's kind of silly to just focus on the one building when they leveled a lot more and killed far more people

2) I don't buy that only "dozens" died. Hundreds is more likely. I feel like the "dozens" is an attempt by the writers to acknowledge that "yes, some people died but not that many". I remember people saying things like "they totally evacuated the city!" in response to the criticisms of the first movie and this just struck me the wrong way.

TheMovieman

In fairness, maybe they (The Daily Planet) were doing several stories on the Superman/Zod fight and the Wayne one, since he is one of the richest people in the world, got more coverage. We also don't know the context of Wayne Financials going down. Perhaps it was newly formed and thus not fully employed. We won't know for another 9 months give or take.

Mike86

There had to have been at least hundreds that died during the events of Man of Steel, if not closer to the low thousands or so. The area they were at seemed like a downtown section of Metropolis and I don't buy that people would have been able to get out fast enough and with all the buildings getting fucked up and debris flying everywhere plus the mass panic that would no doubt be going on there had to have been a large body count. If they're trying to be realistic no way was it only dozens.

TheMovieman

Again, we won't know for another 9 months. This argument will get old real quick (already has).

Mike86

I'm just pointing out (along with others) that logically if they're trying to be realistic something like that would cause mass deaths. There's no arguing that in my opinion. The writers might try to make it out like there was a reason only a small number got killed but in a downtown environment like that in a major city there's bound to be thousands of people and no way they all got out unharmed.

stvn1974

Batman went from building to building within matter of minutes to get everyone out. Oh, wait, MoS has nothing to do with the Nolan films.

Shannon Nutt

I agree it's a good trailer, but the trailers for MAN OF STEEL were really good too.

Not sure I'm going to like this version of Luthor. And, of course, the trailer gives us zero on what to expect from Wonder Woman.

Solid Snake

I'm very interested in where Bats is wearing a coat in a dusty environment and fighting those Supes symbol wearing merc/militia/whatever guys. Looked weird to me what he'd be wearing a coat considering he has a cowl already. I don't mind the goggles.

kgrogers1979

Batman with the coat reminded me of Batmankoff (the Russian Batman) for some reason. Batmankoff had a skin in the Arkham Origins video game, so maybe Batmankoff is just on my brain since I have been playing the Arkham series a lot lately.

I think that scene in the movie may be Themyscira, Wonder Woman's homeland. They mentioned that in the IGN Rewind Theater.

Batmankoff picture:

Why So Blu?

It had a very early Captain America (First Avenger) vibe.

alfredog1976

Just saw a video that thought that wasn't actually Batman and was one of the "Sons of Batman", like in "The Dark Knight Returns"

Solid Snake

A nobody taking on that group of Supes adorned guys?

Paul_SD

I do like the idea of an armed, militaristic cult sprouting up that brands itself after the appearance of a Nietszchian Ubermensch. The Nazi helmets are a little on the nose, but a logical follow through at the same time.
I'm sure at least a few of them, probably the leadership, are functioning as paid agitators, bankrolled by Luthor in a Soros/Koch style similarity. But at the same time I have no doubt that given the situation, it would attract a lot of sincere recruits as well.

The "you let your family die" is almost certainly the handiwork of Luthor, though I think it is more to seduce another influential, monied interest behind his(Luthors) way of thinking than intended as a egging on of Batman.
Batman's involvement will be an unintended consequence of trying to manipulate Wayne.

The family painting a big S shield on the top of their home during a flood looks cheesier than anything from the Donner films. I could believe a hastily painted S- and maybe even an attempt at a basic triangle around it, but given their circumstance , it wouldn't look anything close to the near perfect way it looks here. They should change that in post.
Also not a fan of the hovering and posing while a yearning outstretched arm creates the perfect tableau for us to soak in. That's obnoxious overselling.

Looks like a lot of interesting ideas that will likely be be manhandled and incomplete, to make way for a lot of fan servicing- all while being gorgeously lensed and shot.

kgrogers1979

I don't think that message is necessarily from Luthor. I don't think "family" in this case necessarily refers to Bruce's parents. He was a child then. How could he have saved them? He couldn't have done anything to stop Joe Chill. He didn't "let them die."

I think instead that message was from Joker. Joker is taunting Batman and saying he let Robin die. Robin is his family too. Later in the trailer there is a similar message on the Robin memorial that says, "Ha ha joke's on you Batman." That is certainly from Joker.

I think Bruce's involvement is by what we saw in the trailer. Bruce was in Metropolis when the destruction went down, and one of his buildings was destroyed. People who knew died. That leads to him confronting Superman.

Paul_SD

I'm taking the "family" to refer to Wayne's staff in his building.
That's why it makes sense to me that it would be Luthor (who sees Wayne as a .01% peer) to egg him on so he can consolidate more money and power and influence behind his point of view.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Luthor is going to be a puppet master in this film, manipulating a lot of entities covertly and in ways subtle and aggressive.

Solid Snake

The whole people looking at Supes as a god seems appropriate to me. I mean, we've a very god believing society. People like their faith and security. Supes probably seems like the hope that they needed and faith in a savior is a mind fuck for them.

kgrogers1979

Okay, but how could Bruce have saved the people in the building? He didn't let them die. He was as helpless as anyone else.

Also, if Luthor is egging Bruce on to confront Superman, that would mean Luthor knows Bruce is Batman. I doubt he knows that. Joker has been implied many times in the comics that he knows Bruce is Batman.

I agree that Luthor is a puppet master, but I don't think he is egging Batman to fight Superman in this particular situation. Bruce just simply sees all the destruction brought on by the Superman/Zod battle and confronts Superman himself.

Paul_SD

Bruce, like Luthor, is a at the top of the food chain as far as money and influence goes. It makes sense that Luthor would try to woo his economic and class peers to his way of thinking.
He doesn't anticipate that anonymously egging on Wayne like that is going to bring along Batman because he doesn't know Wayne is Batman. That is the unintended consequence- which further backfires because eventually Batman and Superman will become allies and that means Luthor loses the influential Wayne, along with possibly more of their peers, as a ally. From these clips, Luthor doesn't appear to be a charmer and lacks the social skills to woo economic and class peers to his side in a conflict.

Deadman31

I dont really remember anything from MOS, other than the destruction from Zod flying into Superman and then Superman flying back into Zod and this going on back and forth repeatedly. Did I miss anything else?