stingermck

HAHA OMG what a twist that would be.

The nerd rage!

Y'all still making me laugh tho. News of Infinity War may have 60+ characters and people are like "Awesome I hope they include every minor character from Agents of Shield!" BVS has a bunch of characters and it's the worst idea ever.

Draven

You could dedicate that entire runtime to just Wonder Woman. There's already a conflict between Batman and Superman, yet we have, at minimum both Lex and Doomsday too.

WB and DC just aren't learning anything.

Mike86

To me introducing characters wouldn't be so bad if the film were in more competent hands than Snyder's and if at least Batman was established prior to this film (and no previous incarnations don't count). It feels like the film started as a Batman and Superman film with Luthor in the mix but then it's like someone was like wouldn't it be cool if this happened, and this, and this, and on and on and on.

The idea of Batman and Superman on film basically sells itself even if I'm personally not very thrilled with it since we've seen Marvel do it so often that a team up film isn't a big deal to me but most people probably disagree. That idea as the basis of this film should be more than enough but it's like they have to keep cramming in every last thing they can think of. It's ridiculous.

Mike86

Key difference with the Infinity War films is that by the point when they're released most of those characters will have been established. Also that's probably not going to mean that all of those characters are going to be the focus of those films but a bunch of cameos or characters fighting in the background.

fumanstan

Are you really oblivious to the reasons why there's a different reaction?

stingermck

No, I get it. People hate DC.

How did the original Star Wars ever make it? There are 9 major and brand new characters in that one, including all this mythology and words like Jedi!

Buy yeah just putting a bunch of new or non established characters in a story never works.

*end rant*

fumanstan

Yes, that's why people love the DC superhero shows and animated movies more then Marvel and why The Dark Knight was recently one of the biggest comic book movies ever. All those DC haters.

The idea of some sort of bias against DC and in favor of Marvel makes zero sense.

Groucho

Exactly. The problem is that people LOVE DC and want these franchises treated right. Rather than comparing to Star Wars, compare to Batman Forever and Batman and Robin both of which tried to cram as many characters are possible into the narrative.

Even as I type this there are now rumors of a in the film.

Mike86

You're right I hate DC. DCAU, Nolan Batman? Hate them both with a passion. Comics? Can't stand them.

*sarcasm if it's not obvious*

And Groucho is right. I'm upset because I want good films and don't feel like I'm going to get them under the current run of films coming out.

EddieMoney

And that is the main issue. Not that people hate DC, as a few others mentioned. But because this incompetent, bumbling fuck of a director is handling this franchise. And not doing it well.

stingermck

Edit to clarify. People are hating on DCCU. The movies. What may or may not be happening with their Cinematic Universe. This thread is littered with it.

Only 2 more months of rumors!

fumanstan

Yes, but people have provided plenty of reason behind it which has been covered multiple times. People want good DC movies, they're not hating for the sake of it.

You're certainly entitled to disagree with those reasons, but going back to the comparison to Marvel/Infinity War it isn't really apt given where both universes are at this point.

PhantomStranger

Here is how WB creates their big summer blockbusters. They aren't the only studio that does it this way, so don't get the wrong idea. WB will commission several competing scripts on the same subject or idea from different screenplay writers. What often happens is that the final script is a chimera from several different scripts, ideas that the WB executives deem cool or whatever. You have no unified creative vision in the process until nearly the very end.

That is how you end up with a movie with six different set pieces and eight characters that don't feel particularly cohesive.

All this being said, Marvel seemingly gets a pass whenever they make a poor decision with their films. It's possible the constant stream of Marvel films alleviates any complaints since we've gotten far fewer DC films of late.

fumanstan

What do you consider examples of poor Marvel decisions that have gotten a pass?

Mike86

I'm curious as well. I don't think Marvel is completely perfect either but by and large I'd say the way they've handled their films and stayed as consistent as they have to date is pretty impressive.

TheMovieman

Source for that rumor? Doing a Google search, that was something from a year ago with nothing more or anything from a reputable site.

Kal-El

It's been addressed but I'll just chime in and say bad comparison with star wars. That was something NEW. There's no preconceived notion as to what that story or who the characters were going to be about.

That's not the case when you try to make a movie that has Superman and Batman. and Wonder Woman. and Lex. and Doomsday. and . Not to mention your supporting characters like Alfred, Perry, Lois, etc.

Tom Creo

Don't forget Mama Kent.

TheMovieman

(I think I said this before) Except the supporting players, like Perry, Lois and Ma Kent, have already been introduced and likely will only have a couple of scenes (wouldn't surprise me if Ma Kent only has one or two). And some of Lois's scenes will be shared with Perry... Point is, they're not going to be taking up valuable running time (has that been announced? I think I read it might be somewhere around 150 minutes or something).

ddrknghtrtns

If this is all true, it sounds like less of a competent script and more like geek Fanfiction.

PhantomStranger

Both Thor films and the Iron Man sequels were less than compelling films unless you are totally in the tank for those characters. Do I mention their disastrous handling of Mandarin because they were afraid it would hurt the Chinese box office? Or how they've turned the Hulk into a bit player because they don't own his complete movie rights?

Don't get me wrong, they've released enjoyable movies like both Avengers and Cap's movies. WB has done many things wrong over the years managing their superhero properties, but Marvel gets the benefit of the doubt far more than they deserve.

Jackskeleton

Eh, I don't think those are complete mishandlings compared to the level that WB/DC has had with any of their film franchises and even the level they cared to spit on the success of the CW's success in the television franchise by distancing themselves by a proven success.

Iron Man 2 was clearly just a stepping stone to Avengers. Thor 2 seems to be long term effect towards Infinite Wars. But otherwise, they were decent films. Iron Man 3... I got no defense for. Fuck that movie. But again, their trip ups basically are easily covered up by the fact that a few months later they make good with the next installment.

As for Hulk, Unless you really are committed to doing an off plant Hulk film that leads to World War Hulk - his story has been sort of done and done and done with before the whole Marvel Phases ever came about. Hulk, unless given those story arcs, isn't really that great of a character. His story is basically he hits something till it stops needing to be hit. Only so much you can go with there.

What DC does seems to be - "Okay, we have one shot at this, we'll make a Ballad of Beta Ray Bill, cause hey, CAMEO!!! and do a Hercules cameo where he beats him and Jane Foster has to pick him up. Cause you know, chicks dig romance. Then squeeze in The God Butcher cause who doesn't like time travel? And of course we have to include Ragarok.. cause who wouldn't want to see that in a 153 minute film?!"

PhantomStranger

All will be forgiven if they make a West Coast Avengers movie with Tigra.

Mike86

Not to get too off topic but I'll throw in a response. I didn't like Iron Man 3 much at first due to the handling of The Mandarin but the more I've watched it I've gotten over it. It's still a good character building film for Tony Stark with a lot of good action. I like that it was a different take in some ways and showed our hero as just a guy and not always relying on his suit to give him his abilities. Pearce being the actual Mandarin was a disappointing reveal at first but I still thought he was a decent villain overall.

I also don't think that Thor is bad either. It's a good origin film and a fun fish out of water film. I'll give you Iron Man 2 (although I don't hate it) and Thor: The Dark World (the weakest overall MCU film to date in my opinion). Still though I think they've managed to stay largely consistent over ten plus films which is pretty impressive if you ask me. As far as the Hulk goes I think they're using him well as far as they can without owning the film rights to the character fully.

The problem with DC is that they seemingly have no confidence in any of their characters aside from Batman and are using this film to throw in a bunch of different things that don't necessarily seem to fit to springboard their universe. I also am not a fan of being thrown into an established universe with little know about anything other than the events of Man of Steel. They also come off like they're trying to be edgy and dark but a lot of it just seems silly. I think a lot of the problem with the tone of their universe is that they're making it too Batman centric and giving everything a Nolan type tone. I like those films but the style doesn't work for all DC characters. I just think a lot of things are being mishandled and could be done so much better in different hands. As of now it seems like there's no direction other than playing catch up and Snyder is guiding a lot of what's happening which doesn't give me a ton of confidence.

Big Boy Laroux

You need to check out the Marvel Short - All Hail the King