Mike86

I know about that too. It never went anywhere beyond the short though so I'm curious if they'll actually use the character again and bring back Kingsley.

fumanstan

I wouldn't consider Marvel getting passes on Thor and Iron Man, I hear negativity regarding both Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 2/3 all the time on this forum, and critically they're on the lower end of Marvel movies go so their weaknesses seem accurately reflected to me. I don't think it's fair to include Hulk as a poor decision because of the rights issue (and i'd also argue the performance of the previous Hulk movie means Marvel is in no rush to buy back those rights, but I think we've had that discussion before).

In any case, Marvel has certainly gotten some criticism but not on the level of WB/DC for good reason. Definitely not any sort of free pass from the wonderful folks on the internet in your examples.

Obi-Wanma

Kingsley is still not the Mandarin either, but someone else is, and he's still out there.

That said, I fully believe that the short is nothing but fan service and will never be referenced in any future MCU film.

DRG

Which is one of the big things that Marvel gets right. As films, Thor has a very different tone than Iron Man. Ant-Man has a different tone than Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Yet they still manage to cross these universes over and have it make sense. With DC it just seems like they were so confused as to how to deal with this sort of crossover that they just picked one property's tone and applied it to the rest.

E Unit

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Sonic

You guys got to admit, Batman ramming his car into Superman is a real bitch move.

whotony

Nope.

PhantomStranger

This special runs after the new episode of The Flash next week.

TheMovieman

It runs after the 30-minute special on Legends of Tomorrow, unless they're lumping it in together for a one-hour special.

ntnon

Those two at least seem different and separate in tone and scope.

I'm still wavering on BvsS in the cinema - it's all-but a sequel to Man of Steel, and Man of Steel was terrible. But...

ntnon

ESTABLISHED characters making (probably] glorified cameos in a logical get-everyone-together-and-save-the-world kind of way, vs. UNestablished villains being added potentially to compete with Marvel/Civil War.

If the logic is sound in BvsS, great. But it looks like a desperate attempt to throw things at a wall and hope. Sadly.

ntnon

I see "concern" more than hate. And it's borne of there only being one film in the DCCU; it being a poor film and a horrible Superman film; the idea of a DCCU ostensibly being dreamt up just to compete with Marvel; that the DCCU immediately jettisoned the very-popular Batman universe films (a new actor needn't have scrapped that history) AND apparently also completely ignoring the popular TV shows that had already established a coherent synergy and Universe!

So many decisions, so little (apparent) sense. And then piling on top of that rumour that it'll be packed with characters like Batman & Robin and Spider-man 3.

The concern is warranted. I hope it is ill-founded. I doubt it is.

Kal-El

They released the track listing of the soundtrack today and of course Superman gets the short end of the stick even in that aspect of the film.

ntnon

I like both Thor films (the first more than the second), with no real interest in the character prior to watching it; the Mandarin seemed no more controversial than ruining Ducard and messing with Ra's... and was that even criticised much? Also, critiquing Marvel's decisions/shortcomings over a character "they don't own.. complete movie rights" to is... reaching.

Just like the Norton Hulk was a flawed attempt at doing an anti-superhero film (since the Hulk really, really doesn't want the power or responsibility), Iron Man 3 was an awkward attempt at injecting non-hero realism to the aftermath of horrendous happenings. I thought the PTSD stuff was cliched, poorly portrayed and distracting, but people who have actually experienced similar things have frequently applauded either the attempt, execution or both.

Or just change everything about the plot/character for no reason (Catwoman), or make ill-thought-through additions (Superman's abandoned bastard son) or curious choices in what to make (Jonah Hex, Losers).

dex14

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=130292

TheMovieman

IDK, my main problem with the whole Mandarin thing is that if there was one major flaw with the Marvel movies is their villains have been generally bland save for Loki who was more of a sniveling brat than dangerous. So... when we get the Mandarin, played by Ben Kingsley no less, he started off as a bad ass and perhaps a true foe but then they turned it into a joke and we got the same old, forgettable baddie at the end with Pearce, who normally is a good actor, proclaiming "I AM THE MANDARIN!"

No you are not.

TheMovieman

TheMovieman

Cool cover

DJariya

New Poster artwork

Kal-El

What is up with all the flying particles in all DC marketing?

E Unit

Makes me want to see it. Flying particles sells.

CharlieK

Flying particles = grit = gritty

Groucho

I'm a bit tired of it myself. I guess you could say I'm ... particle bored.

redrum

http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/20...tice-tv-spot-3

TheMovieman