Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1527
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
My sources have revealed to me this will be the first full on musical. And no, no Cantina band, which is weird.
#1528
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
This is a link to a detailed plot to Episode 9 on reddit. From what I have been piecing together through the rumors in the past year, this seems pretty plausible (I'm sure everything is not 100% true as some things don't make sense as I'm just looking at it from a big picture perspective).
REMEMBER THIS LINK GIVES AWAY HUGE SPOILERS TO EPISODE 9, SO DON'T CLICK IF YOU ARE STAYING SPOILER FREE. I REPEAT, THIS ARTICLE HAS MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 9:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...x_the_rise_of/
This is my opinion of these spoilers:
REMEMBER THIS LINK GIVES AWAY HUGE SPOILERS TO EPISODE 9, SO DON'T CLICK IF YOU ARE STAYING SPOILER FREE. I REPEAT, THIS ARTICLE HAS MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 9:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...x_the_rise_of/
This is my opinion of these spoilers:
Spoiler:
#1529
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
There were leaks for TLJ and they were wrong. Probably disinformation. Remember before TLJ came out it was leaked that Luke revealsto Rey that she was HIS father?
#1530
DVD Talk Limited Edition
#1531
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1532
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
#1533
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Edit: I didn't read the reddit link. I was just talking about a clone theory. I will put my comment in spoiler tag anyway.
Spoiler:
Last edited by Ranger; 08-31-19 at 10:46 PM.
#1534
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Not gonna click that. It may be time for me to go dark on this stuff. Unless I start hearing that it’s a train wreck then I want to go in clean.
#1536
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1537
DVD Talk Legend
#1538
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I still go back to the idea of bringing back Palpatine (in whatever form) and how it feels like the franchise has run out of ideas for this story. I think it was a smart move from a marketing sense cause it definitely got fans talking when you heard his voice in the 1st teaser. But it feels so ‘been there done that’ just like ROTJ, after you really think about it?
#1539
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I still go back to the idea of bringing back Palpatine (in whatever form) and how it feels like the franchise has run out of ideas for this story. I think it was a smart move from a marketing sense cause it definitely got fans talking when you heard his voice in the 1st teaser. But it feels so ‘been there done that’ just like ROTJ, after you really think about it?
#1540
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I still go back to the idea of bringing back Palpatine (in whatever form) and how it feels like the franchise has run out of ideas for this story. I think it was a smart move from a marketing sense cause it definitely got fans talking when you heard his voice in the 1st teaser. But it feels so ‘been there done that’ just like ROTJ, after you really think about it?
I’m looking forward to a new set of Star Wars films if for no other reason than to be able to break away from Skywalkers and Friends once and for all.
Last edited by GoldenJCJ; 09-01-19 at 11:25 AM.
#1541
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
This is a link to a detailed plot to Episode 9 on reddit. From what I have been piecing together through the rumors in the past year, this seems pretty plausible (I'm sure everything is not 100% true as some things don't make sense as I'm just looking at it from a big picture perspective).
REMEMBER THIS LINK GIVES AWAY HUGE SPOILERS TO EPISODE 9, SO DON'T CLICK IF YOU ARE STAYING SPOILER FREE. I REPEAT, THIS ARTICLE HAS MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 9:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...x_the_rise_of/
This is my opinion of these spoilers:
REMEMBER THIS LINK GIVES AWAY HUGE SPOILERS TO EPISODE 9, SO DON'T CLICK IF YOU ARE STAYING SPOILER FREE. I REPEAT, THIS ARTICLE HAS MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 9:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...x_the_rise_of/
This is my opinion of these spoilers:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
#1542
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Yep. But really, they filmed themselves into a corner with this series. At least in terms of this saga alone, they are on film 9 of 9 and after film 8 they don’t have a big bad to fight (I didn’t love Snoke but at least at one point he was being set up as the main villain until RJ decided that he would end that shit halfway through the new trilogy ). If they were to introduce a new villain now, it would ring hollow to the audience. They HAVE to bring back someone who’s been around in the series and the audience can identify as THE big bad. I’m sure if they could bring back Vader they would.
its just frustrating regarding the ways they decided to take the ST as it really goes back to Episode 7. Unless they intentionally wanted to mimic the OT in fear of another PT backlash.
#1543
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think the frustrating thing about the Sequel Trilogy is that there’s really no clear cut through line for the films. The Prequel Trilogy was the fall of the Jedi Order and Anakin’s descent to the Dark Side as well as the rise of Palpatine and the Sith. Original Trilogy is the return of the Jedi and Luke’s journey to redeem his father. The Sequel Trilogy though it’s like what is there? Pretty much only the most surface level things. Rey vs. Kylo, but then not sometimes. First Order vs. Resistance. There’s just no strong arc to any of it really.
#1544
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1545
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think the frustrating thing about the Sequel Trilogy is that there’s really no clear cut through line for the films. The Prequel Trilogy was the fall of the Jedi Order and Anakin’s descent to the Dark Side as well as the rise of Palpatine and the Sith. Original Trilogy is the return of the Jedi and Luke’s journey to redeem his father. The Sequel Trilogy though it’s like what is there? Pretty much only the most surface level things. Rey vs. Kylo, but then not sometimes. First Order vs. Resistance. There’s just no strong arc to any of it really.
When it comews to Jurassic Park/World, I've said that all they really need to do to make these movies work is have dinosaurs chasing and eating people.
But Disney and Lucasfilm are treating Star Wars the same way. They aren't actually telling stories, they're just giving us a new cast and putting lightsabres in their hands and giving them an Empire to fight. And I think that for the mainstream audience (and critics), that's enough to hold their interest for a couple of hours. Star Wars VII, VIII, and IX might as well be Jurassic World 7, 8, and 9 considering the minimal amount of thought and effort they're putting into them. Here's the same stuff you liked thirty years ago. Now go buy they over-priced low quality toys and Jakku bedsheets.
But the more hardcore audience, like myself (and, likely you, too, Mike) are wanting something with a goddamned epic sweep like Lord of the Rings or A Song of Ice and Fire, or even The Wizarding World. And, despite having set up a "story group," it doesn't feel like Lucasfilm is really putting a lot of effort or thought into this world.
So, yeah, here's this orphan girl living on a desert planet who is strong with the force and inherits the Skywalker family lightsabre and even looks like she could be related to Carrie Fisher, Natalie Portman, and Pernilla August, who sets out on an adventure. But, she's not actually a Skywalker and that means anyone can be special in that corny Disney way, so it's really, really original.
And here's a Mandalorian bounty hunter in Mandalorian armor with a fork-nosed gun, who hangs out with another bounty hunter who looks exactly like IG-88 but isn't, and freezes motherfuckers in carbonite. But he's not Boba Fett, so it's like totally something brand new.
As such, I fully expect The Rise of Skywalker to be safe and familiar, and go with a whimper instead of a bang.
But there are going to be some people who respond positively to getting the fed the same familiar stuff with the serial numbers filed off. And there are going to be some who see right through the sham. But will it be enough to sustain the franchise long-term? Or are they going to drive into the ground like Halloween, Aliens, or Terminator?
#1546
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The Prequel Trilogy had the benefit of being able to work with the Original Trilogy and basically had the story in place. So that was definitely easier and it’s debatable how good the films were, but at least they told a story that formed a trilogy.
#1547
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
And, speaking of hindsight, in the 1970s and early 1980s when the OT was made, it was somewhat rare for films to receive sequels, and unheard of for any kind of pre-planned series of feature films. Star Wars pioneered that concept.
I think Godfather was the first movie to get a sequel that actually continued and expanded on the original concept. Prior to that, a sequel meant just making another Dracula, Frankenstein, or James Bond movie. Even Planet of the Apes was never meant to tell some kind of greater story; they were just cranking out sequels for the sake of making them. (And, in fact, they destroyed the Earth in the second one because Chuck Heston didn't want to make any more!)
I think Godfather was the first movie to get a sequel that actually continued and expanded on the original concept. Prior to that, a sequel meant just making another Dracula, Frankenstein, or James Bond movie. Even Planet of the Apes was never meant to tell some kind of greater story; they were just cranking out sequels for the sake of making them. (And, in fact, they destroyed the Earth in the second one because Chuck Heston didn't want to make any more!)
#1549
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I really can’t say the same for Episode IX. There are directions it can go sure, but nothing that really jumps out as something that’s been built up by the prior two films that will be resolved. The questions presented that seemed like they were threading the films together were quickly dismissed, and I know people will jump on me that I didn’t get the answers I wanted, but those were what seemed logical to follow through with.
Last edited by Mike86; 09-01-19 at 10:05 PM.
#1550
Member
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
So there’s nowhere the new film can go that doesn’t touch on the previous two films? I’m not sure that’s going to be case. TLJ subverted some expectations, but there’s a lot of issues and plot devices from the last two films that appear to still be in play. I mean there’s the Knights of Ren supposedly, the whole balanced Force thing, Rey, Kylo, a rebellion that needs building, lots of things that I’m sure will be addressed. Just because it’s not blatantly obvious what’s going to happen like we had set up with the prequel trilogy does mean TLJ left us with nothing.