Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
#1776
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
And people were asking for Rogue One? Correct me if I’m wrong, but fans wanted another movie about the design of Deathstar following a bunch of unknown characters? Yet the movie made a billion dollars cause it rode the momentum of The Force Awakens (along with a Darth Vader scene that many loved). You release Rogue One in May 2018 and it bombs like Solo.
#1777
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think that was true and I was even among that group of fans not interested in Solo prior to seeing it. The movie changed my mind when I saw it though.
#1778
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Solo had a lot more going against it than Last Jedi. IMHO at least.
#1779
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
It definitely did. There was a negative buzz to it basically from announcement. Then later on the directorial change and poor box office take didn’t help it. Looking back at it they probably really should have held back on it for Disney+ (I think a limited series would have been the best route to take) rather than banking on it being a major theatrical film. It might have found its audience better and probably w be seen as such a colossal flop.
#1780
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
If nobody was asking for Solo, I wonder what they were asking for instead...
Star Wars has the weirdest fucking fandom... most of it bickering about Nobody asked for THIS movie! You just didn't like it because it wasn't the movie you wanted! Nobody wants to see a movie about [insert character here]!
It's fine to like or not like something on its own merits, or criticizing something based on how it fits in or doesn't fit in with established mythology, or how it's written or acted or directed, but so much of Star Wars criticism seems to come down to shouting about what other people want or don't want. It's not about the work itself, but so much of it comes down to "I don't want this! You don't want this! Nobody wants this!"
Star Wars has the weirdest fucking fandom... most of it bickering about Nobody asked for THIS movie! You just didn't like it because it wasn't the movie you wanted! Nobody wants to see a movie about [insert character here]!
It's fine to like or not like something on its own merits, or criticizing something based on how it fits in or doesn't fit in with established mythology, or how it's written or acted or directed, but so much of Star Wars criticism seems to come down to shouting about what other people want or don't want. It's not about the work itself, but so much of it comes down to "I don't want this! You don't want this! Nobody wants this!"
#1781
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
If nobody was asking for Solo, I wonder what they were asking for instead...
Star Wars has the weirdest fucking fandom... most of it bickering about Nobody asked for THIS movie! You just didn't like it because it wasn't the movie you wanted! Nobody wants to see a movie about [insert character here]!
It's fine to like or not like something on its own merits, or criticizing something based on how it fits in or doesn't fit in with established mythology, or how it's written or acted or directed, but so much of Star Wars criticism seems to come down to shouting about what other people want or don't want. It's not about the work itself, but so much of it comes down to "I don't want this! You don't want this! Nobody wants this!"
Star Wars has the weirdest fucking fandom... most of it bickering about Nobody asked for THIS movie! You just didn't like it because it wasn't the movie you wanted! Nobody wants to see a movie about [insert character here]!
It's fine to like or not like something on its own merits, or criticizing something based on how it fits in or doesn't fit in with established mythology, or how it's written or acted or directed, but so much of Star Wars criticism seems to come down to shouting about what other people want or don't want. It's not about the work itself, but so much of it comes down to "I don't want this! You don't want this! Nobody wants this!"
Solo? There were multiple novels set during this period that fans really liked, so you can argue there was some demand for this movie, but that demand might have also been for those stories put on film instead of the the total reboot we got.
#1782
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
It's fine to like or not like something on its own merits, or criticizing something based on how it fits in or doesn't fit in with established mythology, or how it's written or acted or directed, but so much of Star Wars criticism seems to come down to shouting about what other people want or don't want. It's not about the work itself, but so much of it comes down to "I don't want this! You don't want this! Nobody wants this!"
#1783
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Sometimes you didn't know you wanted something until you got it.
I can say that, when Rogue One was first announced, I didn't have much interest in a movie about "Rogue Squadron."
But I did like the movie when I saw it. Not my favorite Star Wars movie, but I'm glad we got it.
I can say that, when Rogue One was first announced, I didn't have much interest in a movie about "Rogue Squadron."
But I did like the movie when I saw it. Not my favorite Star Wars movie, but I'm glad we got it.
#1784
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think a lot of the problem Star Wars faces is that it’s creators have burned its fans so many times over. First Lucas’ endless tinkering with the Original Trilogy while never even allowing copies of the unaltered films to exist. Then the Prequel Trilogy, which while I’ve grown to appreciate more and like elements of there’s no kidding ourselves by thinking they’re perfect films. Now Disney comes along and at first it seemed like a good start until they pull the rug out from us with a film that was divisive to say the least.
I don’t think all hope is lost for Star Wars and there’s a lot from it I want to see, but it’s kind of been a up and down relationship between the franchise and it’s fans for years. That being said I do have hope for the future of the franchise. I’m legitimately interested in all the Disney+ shows announced thus far so that at least is a start.
I don’t think all hope is lost for Star Wars and there’s a lot from it I want to see, but it’s kind of been a up and down relationship between the franchise and it’s fans for years. That being said I do have hope for the future of the franchise. I’m legitimately interested in all the Disney+ shows announced thus far so that at least is a start.
#1785
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I think a lot of the problem Star Wars faces is that it’s creators have burned its fans so many times over. First Lucas’ endless tinkering with the Original Trilogy while never even allowing copies of the unaltered films to exist. Then the Prequel Trilogy, which while I’ve grown to appreciate more and like elements of there’s no kidding ourselves by thinking they’re perfect films. Now Disney comes along and at first it seemed like a good start until they pull the rug out from us with a film that was divisive to say the least.
I don’t think all hope is lost for Star Wars and there’s a lot from it I want to see, but it’s kind of been a up and down relationship between the franchise and it’s fans for years. That being said I do have hope for the future of the franchise. I’m legitimately interested in all the Disney+ shows announced thus far so that at least is a start.
I don’t think all hope is lost for Star Wars and there’s a lot from it I want to see, but it’s kind of been a up and down relationship between the franchise and it’s fans for years. That being said I do have hope for the future of the franchise. I’m legitimately interested in all the Disney+ shows announced thus far so that at least is a start.
I certainly don't think anyone involved in Star Wars "owes" me anything, like seeing the original cast members together or Luke being a huge Jedi badass instead of a burned-out old man. I'm trying to enjoy these films for what they are. And if I don't like them (like the prequels), then I don't have to continue to watch them and can just wait for the next thing. And if they decided to shut the whole thing down and never release a SW movie again, that's fine too. I've certainly gotten plenty of enjoyment through the years.
#1786
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I'm sounding like a broken record at this point, but the "problem" started with the original trilogy. First one was a game changer, second one somehow managed to elevate the material despite playing it by ear with the story and resorting to some cheap soap opera twist. The third one though was some bullshit from a story perspective.
TLJ is a better film than ROTJ. Everything else is just nostalgia. We want the new Star Wars to be how we envisioned it would be when we were kids.
#1787
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I'd argue that the fans have unrealistic expectations about these films and place way too much importance on things like not releasing the OT as it was originally released. I used to be one of those people. As I've gotten older, I've come to respect that we got what we got when we got it and that was great. I enjoyed it every step of the way (well, except for the prequels...no excuses for those).
I certainly don't think anyone involved in Star Wars "owes" me anything, like seeing the original cast members together or Luke being a huge Jedi badass instead of a burned-out old man. I'm trying to enjoy these films for what they are. And if I don't like them (like the prequels), then I don't have to continue to watch them and can just wait for the next thing. And if they decided to shut the whole thing down and never release a SW movie again, that's fine too. I've certainly gotten plenty of enjoyment through the years.
I certainly don't think anyone involved in Star Wars "owes" me anything, like seeing the original cast members together or Luke being a huge Jedi badass instead of a burned-out old man. I'm trying to enjoy these films for what they are. And if I don't like them (like the prequels), then I don't have to continue to watch them and can just wait for the next thing. And if they decided to shut the whole thing down and never release a SW movie again, that's fine too. I've certainly gotten plenty of enjoyment through the years.
As far as unrealistic expectations or feeling owed something, yeah totally unrealistic to expect an iconic character to be treated with a a bit more respect in a franchise that was built on said character. I’m way out of line there.
I’m a lot more open to whatever comes as I said and have liked the majority of Disney Star Wars thus far. Also again as I just mentioned I’m interested in the Disney+ content (The Mandalorian and also the Obi-Wan and Cassian shows).
Last edited by Mike86; 09-16-19 at 05:53 PM.
#1788
Member
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Maybe I saw a different movie. Didn’t Luke do all of those things? He wasn’t struck down, but eh, seems pretty close to your wishes.
#1789
DVD Talk Hero
#1790
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
TLJ was just a remake of ESB. Evaculate the rebel base. The empire strikes back. The heroes get separated. The novice Jedi goes to train with a cranky old master. Throw in some AT-ATs salty Hoth, and the throne room scene from ROTJ. Nothing new there.
It's not that I want new Star Wars to be what I saw when I was a kid, I want it to go beyond what it was three decades ago, continue the story and go to some new places, not just recycle the old movies. The ST is just a bunch of lazy-assed shit that repackages nostalgia and pretends its something new. It's a complete sham.
#1791
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
The real genius behind these new movies IMO (at least the first three they made, not Solo) was choosing to release them at Christmas in the U.S., TFA especially. Have something that relies on nostalgia? Release it at the time of year when people are probably feeling the most nostalgic. Only issue is that once the whole nostalgic trip is over, one realizes there wasn't much to see. Definite case of emperor's clothes (no pun intended).
#1792
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I still want a LOTR sequel where we find that Sauron made a second "one ring to rule them all".
#1793
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
TLJ has a chance to take the Saga in a new direction if Rey took Kylo’s offer as that opens up a whole new story for Episode 9. But the movie ends with Rey/Good Guy, Kylo/Villain, and Resistance vs First Order.
Last edited by coli; 09-16-19 at 07:57 PM.
#1794
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I wonder if Lucas had made the films starting with The Phantom Menace if by the time we got to Empire if he would have decided to shit all over the Yoda character the same way that Johnson did with Luke? Empire and TLJ being basically the same film and all.
That throne room fight in TLJ is awful. It just seems like Johnson realized that he had to have a lightsaber fight in the film so he wedged it in.
That throne room fight in TLJ is awful. It just seems like Johnson realized that he had to have a lightsaber fight in the film so he wedged it in.
#1795
Member
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
People would have been like “Why are you making Yoda so goofy in Empire when he was totally bad ass in AOTC and ROTS?”
#1796
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
YOU didn’t like it so clearly YOU didn’t understand it or something must be wrong with YOU or YOUR opinion. Get bent with that.
I’ve given reasons, I’m fairly certain you both know them. Yes, what I said happened in a certain sense, but it was done in a completely different way than I would have wanted or expected. If that works for you guys then fine. I don’t really give a rat’s ass. It didn’t for me and I’m able to hold that opinion.
#1797
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I truly don’t understand why people who are pro that film continually have to prod. I let others have their opinion without poking fun at them while making my observations. Seems like the hostility is more from the side of your camp. You didn’t like it so clearly YOU didn’t understand it or something must be wrong with YOU or YOUR opinion.
Ive given reasons, I’m fairly certain you both know them. Yes, what I said happened in a certain sense, but it was done in a completely different way than I would have wanted or expected. If that works for you guys then fine. I don’t really give a rat’s ass. It didn’t for me and I’m able to hold that opinion.
#1798
Member
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
I truly don’t understand why people who are pro that film continually have to prod. I let others have their opinion without poking fun at them while sharing mine. Seems like the hostility is more from the side of your guys’ side of the camp.
YOU didn’t like it so clearly YOU didn’t understand it or something must be wrong with YOU or YOUR opinion. Get bent with that.
I’ve given reasons, I’m fairly certain you both know them. Yes, what I said happened in a certain sense, but it was done in a completely different way than I would have wanted or expected. If that works for you guys then fine. I don’t really give a rat’s ass. It didn’t for me and I’m able to hold that opinion.
#1799
Member
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Dont worry these were the same guys who shit on the Prequels for years and years and now they don’t like that people didn’t like TLJ so they give the same argument as the Prequel defenders, “You didn’t like it cause it didn’t jive with the story you built up in your head all those years.”. Oh the irony.....
#1800
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)
Don't assume I know what you failed to express in a way that is understandable. I still don’t understand. When you express certain criteria, said criteria was evident, and it still wasn’t what you wanted..I come back to “Huh?” That’s fine if it’s not what you wanted, whatever, but don’t pretend like what you’re saying makes sense to everyone just because you think it does.