Ash Ketchum

Those pictures were shot at the Bedford Park Blvd. subway station on the D line in the Bronx. I used that line everyday once upon a time. I wonder if the station signs will be visible in the final cut or if they'll digitally alter them.

Here's another photo from that shoot, a much wider angle, and my first thought was that it looked like a typical rush hour at that station.

dex14

Yes, I am digging the look of this. I would much rather see this than any continuation with Leto.

While I think WB's process to the way they've handled the DC properties is completely ass-backwards and terrible, I am going to reserve judgement on this until I see it. Hopefully just letting GOOD movies get made with no ulterior motives proves fruitful for them.

Troy Stiffler

After getting excited by that first "I Started a Joke" trailer for Suicide Squad, and then seeing the final product, I'll keep my expectations in check.

Seeing Phoenix without the Joker outfit makes me think we're going to get a "Falling Down" type film with The Joker.

I haven't read much about this film. I hope they can give the whole DCU some continuity. How does this joker become the gangster Leto joker? Does it even matter? Or is it meant to be like Saturday Morning Cartoons where there's no real continuity?

Groucho

This is a different universe than the DCEU (where Leto's Joker resides).

E Unit

What the hell is WB smoking? These all look like multiple dumpster fires (although I'd like this one to be successful, I think Phoenix can pull this off).

dex14

Would be interesting if they were connected.

From the other Joker movie thread:

Groucho

There's more good than bad but this, Shazam and Wonder Woman 1984 all seem promising.

I would like to see Red Hood's idea come to fruition, it's a good one, which means it probably won't be used.

dex14

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Giantrobo

I've said before... ALL DC movies,characters, TV shows, Comic versions, etc no matter how much they are loved or hated can exist in the Multiverse. Glad DC is realizing this.

Leto Joker
Ledger Joker
Hamill Joker
Romero Joker
Phoenix Joker
Tommy Wiseau Joker Can eat a dick though.

RoboDad

Actually, it makes perfect sense. For one thing, the animators adapted the character to fit Hamill's voice acting. For another thing, the Joker's voice is an iconic part of his character, and no one has done that better than Hamill. Ever. It doesn't require THAT much imagination to project his voice onto a visual interpretation, to see if they would work together. If you've ever seen Hamill do his Joker voice (he has done it several times in "live" settings), you would see that his his entire face changes as soon as he turns on the character.

Looking at the photos, I really like the suit (much better than either Ledger's or Leto's costumes), and his facial expressions are awesome (and what we can deduce about his mannerisms from still photos), but the face paint isn't doing anything for me. If this is supposed to be him as the Joker, it doesn't work because you can clearly see some of his henchmen wearing the same makeup, so it doesn't fit with him being the one and only Joker. One of his defining characteristics is his need to stand out. On the other hand, if it is supposed to be him pre-Joker, then how is he already leading such a large gang?

TheMovieman

devilshalo

And at the end of the day, they can CoIE the whole DC slate.... I mean the GG Flash has already opened that possibility of multiple universes.

brayzie

Agree, agree and a agree.


I was going to reply with "No, no, no. I hate the multiverse!" I didn't like how there's multiple Supermen running around. I though the idea of Earth 1 and Earth 2 got out of hand and became to fan-fictiony. The Grant Morrison one-shot was good though.

But now that I think about it, DC/WB could really make that work for the film universe.
Seemingly ignore continuity, just put out good films with whatever version of the character the director wants to use, have the mainstream public think that WB doesn't have a plan, and then maybe in 8-10+ years reveal the multiverse in their own Infninity War-type film, but have it be based around Crisis on Infinite Earths.

robin2099

Actually, no it does not. The animators did not adapt anything. The way that the cartoon was done was that the designs were done, the script was written, and the voice overs were done. Then the actors did ADR based on how the episode was animated. The animators did not adapt anything. Hamil had to adapt to the animators.

Your right though. The Joker's voice is iconic. And Hamill's voice is the iconic ANIMATED Joker. But guess what? You can't just put Hamill's voice over a visual representation in live action and have it work. Like below.




But guess what? For the Joker to work in live action it is not just about his voice. It's about how he looks, how he moves, how he acts. The actor has to ACT with more than just his voice. Heath's was symbolized by his posture, his character tics(licking his chops his loud swallowing) and his design. Nicholson was characterized by his voice, his energy and his permagrin smile. Leto's was characterized by how he acted like a cat for some reason. That encompasses a whole performance.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hamill's Joker voice. But it's ridiculous when fanboys list the live action Joker's and put him in there with him. It's two different types of acting and performing.

nando820

^nah you wrong

fumanstan

I think the same way when Conroy is cited as the definitive Batman in these conversations and have argued that as well. There's more to these characters then just a voice.

Red Hood

I agree with you that it will most likely not be used at all. The problem here is WB. That company has been an internal mess even going back to the late 90's, when they were in the process of merging with AOL. Since the merger, it became an even bigger mess. Just last week, DC Comics was moved to the Warner Bros. Global Brands and Experiences. Basically, the purpose of this move is to exploit their IP brands through licensing and make them as much money they can from them immediately. Contrary to Marvel, who have Kevin Feige running the show, DC has never had a guy with a vision for long term. They planned on having Zack Snyder, but his vision sucked and so did the product. They brought in Geoff Johns, but the failure of Justice League and Green Lantern, removed him from the position.

If WB wants to have the level of success that Marvel has had for 10+ years, they need to stop micromanaging DC Comics and let them do what they know best. So far they've been shooting crap at ceiling and seeing what sticks. Funny thing, is that they can build a good DCEU with the current properties they have done in the past 15 years. They need to:

1- Keep Cavill as Superman
2- Keep Gadot as WW
3- Keep Momoa as Aquaman (even though I don't like his look or acting for this part)
4- Get rid of Ezra Miller, Ben Affleck, Will Smith, Joel Kinneman and Jesse Eisenberg
5- Send back Cyborg to the Titans and bring in the Martian Manhunter, who could be played by Idris Elba
6- Bring in Grant Gustin's Flash to the movies. He's done more for that role than anyone before or after him
7- Bring Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor. Would give the character the gravitas it deserves, not the Marc Zuckerberg mannerisms.
8- Either bring back Christian Bale as Batman or get Armie Hammer to play the role
9- Put Timothy Olyphant as Deadshot
10- Do not cast Tom Cruise as Hal Jordan
11- Follow what I posted above on Leto's Joker
12-Use the existing source material pre and post New 52 DC Comics (with the exception of the Batman-Court of Owls storyline) without making horrible mash-ups

Build from this using famous storylines from DC Comics and keep that vision and they could potentially by critically and box office successful.

nando820

haven't thought of Armie Hammer as Batman, i think he can pull it off

dex14

He was cast in the failed George Miller Justice League movie.

dex14

Behind the scenes article from filming in Jersey City: https://www.nj.com/entertainment/ind...paign=njcom_sf

brayzie

So Bruce Wayne's dad was a doctor AND ran for public office?

Josh-da-man

I just ain’t feeling this shit.

Too many clowns.

majorjoe23

Between the house and senate, there are 20 doctors in congress.

brayzie

But I'm assuming they stopped practicing medicine once they became members of congress, right?

So in this film, I'm assuming that Thomas Wayne puts his medical practice on hold to run for mayor in order to change the city around.

It's just a lot to add to Batman's dad. Before Thomas Wayne was a doctor who came from a wealthy family.
Then later it was added that Thomas Wayne was a doctor, came from a wealthy family, AND the head of a successful corporation, Wayne Enterprises.
Now on top of all that, he's an aspiring politician.

I'd rather Batman and his family stay out of the Joker's origin. It makes Gotham feel a little bit smaller, kind of like how George Lucas did the prequels.

ultimaton

From the rumors that were out there when Alec Baldwin signed-on/dropped-out, I'm going to guess that in this universe, Thomas Wayne is going to be a real-estate guy (instead of a doctor) that gets into politics to Make Gotham Great Again.