Mike86

I guess I didn’t feel the length at all really. I enjoyed it from beginning to end and didn’t really feel like it was dragging it’s feet.

Michael Corvin

I saw it at the theater and thought it was pretty average at best.... and I don't care for the MCU outside of Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like all the pieces are there are for a solid movie but it just didn't gel for me. Most everything they tried has been done before and almost better in every instance.

I will say I was skeptical about the Fast & Furious Batmobile, but that chase scene was probably the best thing about the movie. Might be worth popping it on HBO just to watch that scene and shut it off.

One of it's biggest failings is the out of nowhere climax. It's like Reeves wanted a gritty noir Batman movie that's smaller in scope than what's come before but the studio stepped in and said they wanted a big action piece. So we get a warmed over Bane rehash of Riddler destroying the city with a flood out of nowhere. It didn't fit the rest of the movie at all. Up until that point Riddler's motive made sense and worked, but then flood? I guess? It was as dumb as the new mayor(?) going out to the podium in front of armed thugs.

I do agree with Oldboy and Philo though, seeing Batman rescuing people was a nice change of pace, something that is missing from most superhero flicks.

William Fuld

IBJoel

Him looking Riddler dead in the eyes, then saying "Hello, Batman speaking" in the phone to him absolutely killed me

whotony

Once again confirmed that the ‘66 Batmobile is the best Batmobile.

B5Erik

Now THAT'S a movie I could get behind!

eXcentris

I was kinda... bored. Too long, superficial under the surface with shallow characters reduced to pawns in a plot. And watching Pattinson is like watching paint dry. Zero chemistry with Kravitz. Essentially, this:

"The movie’s solid dramatic architecture is essentially uninhabited—“The Batman” is a cinematic house populated only by phantoms with no trace of a complex mental life."

That said, I have Superhero fatigue so maybe I should have watched something else.

Sonny Corinthos

This is awesome! Loved it!

Giantrobo

Finally saw it, Loved it.


Pros:
-Pattison is now one of my fave Batmen. Looooved all the scenes where he just slowly walked into view.
-Batman Costume...another new fave
-Batmobile...didn't really mean anything to me until I saw the film. I like it more now
-Kravitz was waaaay better than I was expecting as Kyle/Catwoman and I hope to see more of her. I bought her 100% in the role and totally understood how he could be so attracted to her and start caring for her so fast.
-Riddler, Penguin, and Gordon were all great as well.
-The films mood, aesthetic, music...Dark...and right up my alley. I love my DC Dark and Moody...
-But also loved Batman realizing he needed to change at the end. Kinda of reminded me of Batman doing something similar in "The New Frontier" animated film.
-Some aspect of this film were genuinely scary, even had a Horror feel to it.

Cons:
-Not enough Penguin. He had a good presence and was kinda funny. He was also menacing
-I get they were focusing on the Detective part of him, but would love to have seen more fights.

Michael Corvin

I don't think this one is going to age well. The uber nerds are high on it so close to release, but I'm betting 5-10 years from now it will be "why did we like that one so much?" They could turn it around in the sequel if they can get better acting/chemistry out of the leads but falls pretty flat as a stand-alone film.

IBJoel

I think that's really any movie, though. Certainly the Nolan films (as well as Interstellar and Inception) have gotten blowback over time. Burton's too. Avatar gets mocked and so do so many best picture winners. I think views on films in general just change as new generations come of age. I saw someone the other day say Blade Runner was long, boring, and plotless.

RichC2

To be fair, I know people that saw blade runner when it originally came out that say the same and have for as long as I've known them. The more people that see a movie generally means more people that won't like it will see it.

dex14

Draven

To my credit, I mocked Avatar after seeing it in theaters. I didn't even think the 3D was that good (there were scenes that looked like dioramas).

tanman

I liked it but didn't love it like it was the second coming as some people are going on about. Way below Nolan's Batman. I thought it was a pretty interesting take on the character and actually liked Pattinson's characterization on him. I think my biggest issue is that the whole movie seemed to be almost there for me. I liked that they tried to focus on his detective skills. But in the end what did he really do? Solve a couple of limericks? Notice blood on the floor that somehow no one else noticed? The biggest failure was his failure in the movie and the chance happening that there just happened to be a cop that just happened to have an uncle that just happened to have a carpet business and this is the guy who gets the big solve of the big riddle in the end? Seriously? So stupid.

This was another thing about this movie that was just almost there. They did a pretty good job of grounding this Batman and making him exist in a realistic world then they do this? Again seriously? This is supposed to be the "smart" Batman but he just stands there right next to a bomb WITH A VISUAL TIMER ON IT right until it ticks down to zero? And then suffers ZERO consequences for taking a bomb to the face? I laughed when his face got more marked going in the water then it did taking a bomb to the face. Also the ending scene when he cuts the large electrified thing. I loved the drama of that scene but him cutting the line so he would fall in the water with it? That's kind of like standing on the far side of a limb as you cut it off a tree isn't it?

I hate to rag on the really awesome car chase scene. Seriously that scene was so epic. So well filmed. But in the end what was the whole point of it? I just wasn't feeling that the whole reason for this destructive and deadly car chase was just so they could catch the Penguin and ask him a few questions. The tension just wasn't there. And don't get me started on that conveniently placed ramp to lead up to the admittedly epic finishing scene of the car chase. That reminded me of all the bushes in the A-Team that had all those ramps hidden behind them.

Despite these issues I still thoroughly enjoyed it. I loved the soundtrack and I actually loved the slower pace. It gave the movie time to breathe and the audience time to soak in what this movie did best. Atmosphere. But it could have been even better IMHO with just a few minor changes.

Also I wish they would have just full on made this an R rated film. Doesn't need to be a hard R but it just felt like it was too much for a PG-13 rating and I would have liked them to push the envelope just a bit further.

Also also I wish they would stop just eluding to the Long Halloween so often and just straight up make that into a film or miniseries.

eXcentris

Also, did I hallucinate or did the Riddler sound like the dude in "Saw"? I kept expecting him to say: "I want to play a game".

Draven

It was standard "psycho killer mush mouth".

Artman

After seeing it again, I wonder if he would have been able to cut the line with enough force directly in front of him. By cutting above him, he's able to fully extend his arm.

A nitpick I had was the rather cartoonish parachute/crash onto the street. It was already a cool scene, he could've more or less just landed successfully while still showing how rough it was.

Draven

I still think "bomb to the face" should be the new "nuke the fridge".

Troy Stiffler

Good. But wish it was longer.

Why So Blu?

Impossible for the mere fact that the film is overall awesome, while Kingdom Skull has one garbage scene/set-up after another.

IBJoel

The funny thing is that I find the shot immediately after the fridge to be incredible. All it would have taken would be to switch the rocket car scene to be used to speed away from the counting down bomb.

Why So Blu?

tanman

That was another he survives this? moment. And exactly with keeping with the film. Love the scene, love the snoricam, how it was shot, how most of it was done practically, everything about it. Even love the rough landing to show he's human but did they have to make it he would be in traction for months rough?

And yes I admit it's being nitpicky about where he cuts the rope and I'll allow it because it adds to the drama but it just feels artificial and forced because it seems like a dumb mistake.

Another nitpick is I really miss agile Batman. Like the Batman in JLU who could dodge Darkseid's omega beams. Or even the DKR Batman who had the same dark hallway only lit by muzzle flash scene but was actually able to dodge the bullets instead of taking them to the chest. I'm not a fan at all of his suit being totally bullet proof as if he's Superman. But then later in the film he takes a shotgun blast to the chest and that somehow knocks him out? Again it adds to the drama so that's fine and again it's a nitpick but still the inconsistency is a little jarring.

tanman

Totally agree that it was a great film overall but that almost makes it worse. Like they were so close. The nuke the fridge scene is like the least of KotCS sins and possibly now it's only redeeming factor for how terribly cheesy it is.