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s}{ammer

I think Jacob summed it up last night when he basically told Ben he was nothing special. Locke is no different as he was laying in a box on the sand.

Also, as for locke working for the bad guy all along...
Remember it was Abaddon who sent Locke to the walkabout.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon_in_popular_culture

tlwizard

Regarding the post earlier about Jacob being a god, which explains why he says to Ben "what about you?" What does that say about Locke (faux or no)? Richard was willing to take Locke (unknown as faux) to see Jacob. Or is that only because he badgered Richard and if Ben had badgered him about it he would have done the same?

Also, if the evil is taking on the form of Christian, doesn't that also mean it took on the form of Claire there in the cabin? So is Claire dead? Or was that real Claire who followed Ghost Dad (faux Bill Cosby Christian Shepard) back to the cabin and was hanging out?

s}{ammer

Not that you repeated what I said, but simply missed it.

The Jesus in Christianity is based off of Horus from the Egyptian mythology. In lost they pounded into our heads last night that the mythos they are working with is Egyptian. Christianity is supposed to be a monotheistic religion, whereas in Egyptian mythology there were many gods. However, because the Jesus we know of today is so similar to Horus it will feel Christian to people not looking at it from a non-monotheistic point of view.

Jacob uses people as pawns just as much as the "bad guy" and he lets us know what he thinks of his pawns when he tells Ben what about you. So Jacob is not the good guy and his enemy the bad guy, they are just two different gods that have always and will always be at war with each other.

Another interesting thing I noticed in re-watching it that I missed the first time, the completed statue is a statue of Seth(Set) I believe. Also, Jacob knows it eventually will end but that he must keep pushing people so they will progress to the end. As he stated early on, "There is only one end, everything else before that is just progress." He also tells Jack that it just needed a push, which actually tied right in with what Christian did to Jack in the OR.

dino88

Yes because it's crazy to assume that Jacob is meant to be Jesus-like. Don't know where I got that? I don't think Jacob healed Locke either, he obviously had a defibulator implanted in his hands.

s}{ammer

I would think Claire is dead. The bad guy got rid of Claire so that Kate would take the baby and leave the island, then she would have a reason to come back. If she had got off the island and went to prison she couldn't have come back to finish the game.

s}{ammer

I just don't get how you can look past all the Egyptian theology and see Jesus. Jacob obviously predates Jesus. When you consider that the struggle between Jacob and this other guy fits perfectly within what we have seen of lost so far I just think those people who think Jesus are trying not to see the very answers to the questions they have been asking all along.

dsa_shea

I don't see Jacob as Jesus, but rather see him and his compadre as living forms of the battle between God and Satan. At this point we don't know who is on what side if there are any sides. But there has to be sides since they introduced them to us way back in the first episodes.

Shinobi

You keep saying this as if it were true. This is not the time or place for a religious slapfight, but just know that while it is an interesting theory, it is hardly fact.

dino88

I never said he IS Jesus, I said Jesus-like.

Palaver

I think the writers have left things intentionally open ended where can you somewhat fit different mythologies and religions into the story. Some episodes have been overtly Christian in nature and themes. Others have been Egyptian and so on. I don't think the writers are going to lock themselves down to one particular story, but one that borrows from many.

SonOfAStu

According to Papyrus Chester-Beatty I, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having intercourse with him.
However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river, so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set.
Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food (the Egyptians thought that lettuce was phallic). After Set has eaten the lettuce, they go to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt.
The gods first listen to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answers from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listen to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answers from inside Set.

If they film that scene for Season 6, I'm out.

s}{ammer

Saying it is God and Satan is kinda missing the point. They made it clear that this predates God and Satan. In Christianity, God is the only supreme being, Satan is a cast out Angel, not on the level of God.

Think of it kind of like Crash of the Titans. In that movie you see a bunch of different gods manipulating man for whatever reason they have. Morally we may see one action as good and another as evil, but to the gods there isn't a difference. Kind of like if we put ants in a jar and decided to make this one walk a straight line, that one we kill, that one we repeatedly drown and so on.

So it isn't so much a battle of God vs. Satan as it is just two ancient gods who are playing a game. I mean just look at the Sayid scene from last night, if Jacob hadn't stopped Sayid his wife wouldn't have spun around and stopped in the middle of the road. So the "God" figure would have just sacrificed an innocent person to win in his battle with the "Satan" figure.

mphtrilogy

Heat Miser v Cold Miser?

Merkin Muffley

Good luck getting that past Standards & Practices.

dsa_shea

Egyptians and their mythology do not predate the existence of God or Satan if you actually believe in God or Satan.

s}{ammer

Ok, let me be politically correct then here. About a thousand years before Jesus, there was a God in Egypt named Horus who happened to have a lot in common with Jesus who was born much later.

This is why many of the things taking place in Lost seem like they could be from the bible. Many of the stories in the bible are remarkably similar to Egyptian stories.

Aphex Twin

Dude, why is God groping Hurley's breast? What a horny guy!

Chang, Miles, and Hurley have to still be alive for them to make the video. So they are probably all still alive.

s}{ammer

I think I would have to pass on that episode myself.

Pharoh

It is simply wrong, in fact.

Now if he wanted to draw parallels with Horus's father, I would at least listen.

s}{ammer

Well, Horus is in fact the correct one to parallel to Jesus.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm

slappy

Wow, my brain is about to explode. The grander they keep making the scale on Lost, the more fried it becomes. But, I'm loving it every step of the way.

The concept of Jacob vs. his rival, using people who show up on the island as pawns in some sort of cosmic game of chess, I can grasp. When I try to reconcile other important "Lost" plot points in to a relationship with that overlying theme, my brain starts to shut down. DHARMA, the Others, Bram & company, time travel, Desmond's ability, the smoke monster, etc... how do they fit into this incredibly far-reaching storyline? ACK!

I get the distinct feeling that the season 6 episodes are going to contain some of the most flat-out hardcore storytelling they've pulled off yet.

Michael Corvin

So where does Ba'al fit in? I hear he's looking for work.

superdeluxe

You were not the only one, my wife also mentioned that.

Nausicaa

Yeah, we don't even know if the nuke went off. The white flash could just as easily have been the electro magnetic energy, flashing the losties backward or forward in time again.

And that's why I was pissed after this episode. There was only about 15 minutes of worthwhile content - the end. And that scene should have been in the beginning of the episode so we could, you know, actually see what the incident was?

Instead we get 90 minutes of 'Stop Jack: should we or shouldn't we?'. And the past-Jacob stuff which, while cool, could have been shown at any point in the season.