superdeluxe

In ancient times, people would spread ash around the house to protect it from demons, I think?

Michael Corvin

I wasn't pissed about it, but it did seem like 90 minutes of filler and 30 minutes of actual content... for a finale. The Jacob stuff in the first hour was important, but it should have been it's own episode and not part of the finale. Makes me wonder if they will be struggling to fit everything in for the last 16 episodes. It feels like there is so much more there.

Aphex Twin

What do Jack and Sawyer see in Kate anyways? I mean, Jack can get any women he wants, and he is obsessed over this elfin-lookin fugitive chick with a mediocre stumpy body. I think Juliette is much hotter than Kate. Did they even adequately demonstrate why Jack and Sawyer want her so badly? Is it because there weren't that many available chicks (Sun = married, Claire = damaged goods, Rose = married, Anna Lucia = psycho, etc.) on the island and Sayid called dibs on Shannon?

superdeluxe

I'm kind of upset juliet is gone, because now we are back to Jack-Kate-Sawyer show.

s}{ammer

I am hoping they won't have time to tell that story again. They have a lot of stuff to cover and only one season to do it.

OldBoy

this wasn't a bad episode. it wasn't nearly as strong as the entire season has been. but, i liked seeing Jacob and his ties (though contrived as they were) with the survivors.

who do we think the is?

also, we haven't found out what happened to Claire yet, right?

Pharoh

As mentioned, this isn't the place for this, and as such I will beg out of the discussion after this quick post, leaving any final word to you.


Aside from the facts that Horus was not born to a virgin, did not have a father or step father named Joseph, (seb), did not have any disciples, let alone twelve, was not born in a cave, did not have either angels or stars announce his birth, and was not resurrected, (and in fact may not have even died), there are plenty of similarities to the biblical Jesus.


The web link you supplied utilises two sources, one from a non-expert from the mid 19th century, and the other which uses the first source. The primary texts either directly refute many of those claims or make absolutely no mention of them. I suspect, as most do, that these false ideas come from wrong interpretations of pictures.

This is not to say that Christianity didn't borrow from many other religions that had gone before it, (I will definitely leave that alone), but Horus is not the one.

OldBoy

well, according to what happened at the end dun dun dunnnnnn!

superdeluxe

Even though I am kind of done with that story line, I hope they wrap it up, considering how much time they put into it.

Pharoh

As for the show, I had alway been under the assumption that the Others had been on the island for a very long time, that is hundred or thousands of years, which is why they didn't time jump with the losties, that they were somehow deeply connected with the island itself. It now appears that this isn't likely, especially if Richard did indeed come from the Black Rock.

Who then are the Others? Where did they come from? And why haven't they been affected the same?

DVD Josh

I think there's no question it's the Esau character in black at the beginning of the episode.

Speaking of, I thought it was interesting how the logo inverted from white to black on a white background, like an Othello piece in a "game".

s}{ammer

I think you are correct here. My earlier posts have not been an attempt to say Egyptians were right and down with Christians. I have been trying to say that it looks like they set this up so that it is not going to be a simple case of good vs bad, God vs Satan. Neither of these being are truly good or evil. I also can't buy into a "lesser evil" concept here since the "bad guy" basically told Jacob he knew the game and was tired of it, yet Jacob "good guy" brought more people to keep playing.

I think this was a great show, but I also think they could have cut short showing Jacob go to all the losties. After the first couple you get the idea that he will visit them all, so why waste half the show on that? I have a feeling they did this because it might come back next season that we saw or missed something from it, like Juliet not getting touched by Jacob.

OldBoy

explain...

Sir Talos

Building on some other peoples ideas: parallels between Jacob and Smokey (whatever his name actually is).

Smokey - God like powers. Able to imitate the dead. Presents as DARK cloud. Only able to kill people some people that may be 'impure' to the island. Inhabits the temple. That all we know so far without making many jumps in logic.

Jacob - God like powers. Healing / resurrection (Locke after he fell out of window). Here is where I am making a jump: When he acts he presents as flash of LIGHT, examples: flash of light during rapture of Jack et. al. off the Ajira flight after Jack reads Locke's letter, flash of light when Swan Hatch is destroyed (Desmond survives?), flash of light at end of this episode when Juliet detonates the nuclear device.

Now I place more emphasis on these "gods" needing human's to either make selfish or a selfless act in order for them to become involved. I don't have specific examples, but it seems Smokey is only able to kill when he scans people and finds they have done something bad. Examples of selflessness and possible Jacob involvement include Ben moving the island, Locke stopping the island from flipping through time (both knew they would have to leave island). Perhaps Jacob was able to fix things only with their help and this was their importance to Jacob.

Jacob and Smokey need people as fuel for their 'game' on the island and it seems only with free will and human choices are they most able to use their power. So it seems they are exploring issues of free will and predestination. There is a theme of what happened happened going on, it will be interesting to see if human free will can alter the plans that the two rival gods have for the island.

moonraker

I'm interested in this: why can't Jacob and his enemy kill each other directly? In other words, who or what is imposing/enforcing this rule? Why couldn't Jacob's enemy simply haved picked up a large rock and bashed Jacob's head with it during the opening scene of the season finale? I hope this gets explained in the final season (i.e., instead of just telling us they can't, I want to know *why* they can't). Because if these two guys really are the reason behind all the events we have seen, this question deserves an answer.

s}{ammer

I Wonder if Ben will still want Juliet when he finds out that she has been shacked up with Sawyer for 3 years.

Seriously, I am so tired of the triangles there that I really hope they devote only enough time next season for jack and sawyer to blow kate off for good. I loved her character before, but it seems like all her strength went to Juliet and she was left with the worst character on the show.

Flave

Sorry, but your "The Jesus in Christianity is based off of Horus from the Egyptian mythology" statement is simply inflammatory. Far more eminent people than me have solidly debunked this tripe and I won't be dragged into this debate.

And the statue is Sobek, not Set. It clearly has a crocodile head.

dsa_shea

The love triangles are really tired and were really there, in my opinion, to fill in time in episodes before they knew when the series would end. It would bother me none if they never returned to the love connections and focused solely on getting us to the end and telling a kick ass story over the last 17 episodes.

s}{ammer

In an earlier episode didn't someone ask locke if he saw the smoke monster and he said he saw something but it wasn't a monster? Or something along those lines.

I would imagine it is because they are equals. They are both gods and in such have to abide by certain rules, like manipulating Ben to kill Jacob instead of just telling Ben the truth and then asking him to do it.

Anyone notice that Jacob was still alive when Locke kicked him in the fire, so if the fire killed the human form, then Ben didn't do it, so Jacob could still be alive and just looking for a new body now since the person who really would have killed jacob is the faux locke???

I would imagine they are using human bodies since he bled when stabbed and the faux locke was drinking water, and they both ate at the beginning of the episode.

Pharoh

Unfortunately they tried to ruin Juliet as well near the end of the season.

s}{ammer

Set also has an animal face with a long snout. I am not sure if it was a croc or not, I just noticed the long snout.

As for my previous posts, you are taking it the wrong way. Read my posts and you will see I am saying this isn't God vs. Satan so much as it is god vs god. There is no good guy or bad guy, they are just playing a game with the people being the pawns.

hardcore

I have to admit that though I loved this season, I was a bit disappointed with the finally too. Mainly it is the same thing as everyone else, everyone changing their minds for dumb reasons and the melodrama didn't really work for me.

But part of the problem for me is that it didn't really advance main plot from the last episode. At the end of the last episode we had Jack saying "I'm going to blow up the Swan!" and Locke saying "I'm going to kill Jacob!", and in this episode, they did just that. But I end up feeling shortchanged because we had another 2 hours of the show to move from "OMG they are going to kill Jacob/the Swan!" to "OMG they killed Jacob/the Swan!" without getting to see any of the repercussions.

It reminds me of the commercials the WB used to run for next week on Dawson's Creek. The commercial would always show you whatever the shocking dramatic cliffhanger for that episode would be, so you watch that episode, but you don't get any resolution to what you saw in the commercial for an extra week. Except in this case it is an extra year!

moonraker

Not good enough of an answer for me. If they are both gods, as you say -- or even if they are not -- then there must still be some power higher than themselves which is imposing/enforcing this rule. That's what I'm getting at. I want to know the backstory of these two, Jacob and his enemy. Not just be told that they are the reason for all the events we have seen -- that would leave me very unsatisfied.

Gunde

You have to be kidding.
The last few episodes I've just wanted to scream at them "It's not your life, you don't belong here. Snap the fuck out of it"

Aphex Twin

Another thing that bothers me about the Kate love triangle is that we have no idea who Kate is horny for and why. We know Jack wants her, Sawyer may want her, and Juliet probably wants to have a threesome with her, but what's Kate's feelings in all this? Maybe she just wants to get with Hurley, but they don't devote any time in the show for her hormones, so we really don't know.