Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I don't know if they named Titus Welliver's character other than "Man #2" yet, but I am assigning him the name Esau (as are many others), the biblical brother of Jacob. One good, one bad, one black, one white (clothing wise), one jealous, one loving, etc. The parallels are all there.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
From the Fuselage:
So, once upon a time there were two powerful gods who opposed but could not kill each other. Over the centuries they brought human beings to the island. The god of blessing kept hoping that they would not turn on each other but achieve peace and harmony. Every time he was mistaken, much to the delight of the other. But still the other god was not satisfied, because he could not destroy his rival. He created a dark cloud of smoke that could mimic all matter of living things and sought to use it to find the "loophole" which would allow the death of his rival, known as Jacob. And after many cycles he succeeded thanks to the careful manipulations of both John "I have a destiny" Locke and Benjamin "What about me?" Linus.
But then someone may have reset the clock.
Anyway, that's how I interpret what we saw.
My guess is that these ancient powers have been playing with the destiny of humankind for a long, long time. Jacob/good wins if there ever comes a cycle on the island when those present don't divide up into us vs. others and try to kill each others. Smokey Guy wins if he ever succeeds in destroying Jacob. That's the salvation or damnation of mankind, the one time it ends instead of cycling through these constant conflicts.
If only everyone would listen to Rose and Bernard, black and white in harmony. And of course the dog. Dogs know.
But then someone may have reset the clock.
Anyway, that's how I interpret what we saw.
My guess is that these ancient powers have been playing with the destiny of humankind for a long, long time. Jacob/good wins if there ever comes a cycle on the island when those present don't divide up into us vs. others and try to kill each others. Smokey Guy wins if he ever succeeds in destroying Jacob. That's the salvation or damnation of mankind, the one time it ends instead of cycling through these constant conflicts.
If only everyone would listen to Rose and Bernard, black and white in harmony. And of course the dog. Dogs know.
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That has nothing to do with the show, it's a personal opinion that doesn't fit with a lot of people's beliefs. Personally, I don't care, it's just an opinion, but I can see how someone could be offended by it.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Just curious: Why do you all think Jack's plan was crazy. What's so wrong about wanting to fix things and get everything back to the way it was meant to be. Is it better to pretend to belong in the 70s?
IMO Sawyer was the crazy one. "We made a life here, it was good". You don't belong here you nimwit!
IMO Sawyer was the crazy one. "We made a life here, it was good". You don't belong here you nimwit!
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Just curious: Why do you all think Jack's plan was crazy. What's so wrong about wanting to fix things and get everything back to the way it was meant to be. Is it better to pretend to belong in the 70s?
IMO Sawyer was the crazy one. "We made a life here, it was good". You don't belong here you nimwit!
IMO Sawyer was the crazy one. "We made a life here, it was good". You don't belong here you nimwit!
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
This episode has really left me underwhelmed. It didn't really progress or resolve anything and worse yet it didn't give any direction to look forward to next season. The real Locke is dead and apparently was just a patsy all along. Jacob is dead, but all I know about him is he lived in a cave and liked touching people so no big loss. The Losties may be dead/alive/in LA/still on the island/in the past/in the future from what may or may not have been the incident that they may or may not have caused themselves which amounted to all of just a bright flash.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
How about this for the opening scene of season six. Paralleling Desmond in the season 3 opening, Juliet awakens, naked, in
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I want to see more of Jack's backstory, like if he's ever had a girlfriend whose life he didn't save, because he's got less game than Bud Bundy. Kate's his if he wants her 5 minutes into the series, but he closes like Heathcliff Slocumb and now he turns into John Hinckley x infinity. Meanwhile Sawyer is trying to get to his bookie to get rich with the least crazy eligible bachelorette on the island which is what any normal guy should be trying to do if they find themselves in the 70s.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
It is entirely possible that Jesus was based upon the god Horus. It is also entirely possible that he was precisely as presented in the Bible. It is also entirely possible that both Horus and Jesus exist, and that every religion on the planet that has ever been, and ever will be, is correct. There simply is no manner by which to determine the authentification of such.
It does not offend, unless you wish it to offend.
(And, if anything, Jesus would be based upon Thoth. Thoth was considered to be the voice of Ra, and had the ability to resurrect people from the dead. He even healed Horus, when he had been blinded by Set, by spitting in his eye; a feat similar to one conveyed in Mark 8:28. In it, Jesus spits on the eyes of a blind man, and restores his sight.)
And, as for the statue, it also seems quite similar to the image associated with that of Taweret, the Egyptian goddess of fertility (or, rather, childbirth). She is most commonly in the form of a hippo, and has a snout similar to that of a crocodile. She also has a rather flat head, much akin to that of the statue.
There are many facts which may present themselves as being either in favor of Sobek or Taweret, but until it is definitively specified on screen... Let the postulation continue.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I wonder how Walt and the other special kids are going to help in the fight of good vs. evil. That's going to be very intriguing and the one thing I look forward to seeing in season 6.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
more i think about it, the more i think the flash at the end is one final time travel
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What doesn't make much sense now is that Rose and Bernard lived in the cabin in the 70s but when it was discovered in the present time they make it seem like there was someone recently living there. We know that either Jacob or the Faux Jacob existed there in 2004 because Locke saw him there but Rose and Bernard would have lived there 30 years prior to that.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
So who is she referring to when she said that someone had lived (been there) recently? Also, wouldn't the Faux Locke have been asking why they weren't heading towards the cabin on the trek since that is the only place that Locke had contact with who he thought Jacob was. Instead he is just trekking down the beach blindly following Richard. Wouldn't that seem somewhat suspicious that he isn't at least asking to go where he thought Jacob would be?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
The theory is that Jacob's enemy was living in Jacob's cabin. And that when Locke visited "Jacob" in previous episodes, he was really visiting Jacob's enemy. Who, in turn, had been manipulating Locke all along.
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I guess it is also safe to assume that Charlie's guitar is in the case and not something else and that is what Hurley brought back to the island.
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That was the theory I posted. However, this doesn't explain why they wouldn't question Locke when he didn't ask to go back to the cabin instead of walking for miles on a beach to get to Jacob when he never would have known for Jacob to live there.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Ok, don't want to see more parallels than there are. But, but... with Stark Trek it's all about hitting the reset button and here in Lost we (they) are also hitting the reset button.
Now, I love Lost and I liked Star Trek.
But this will get OLD really fast...
As a matter of fact, i'm calling it old right fging now.
Good finale thought. ;-)
Now, I love Lost and I liked Star Trek.
But this will get OLD really fast...
As a matter of fact, i'm calling it old right fging now.
Good finale thought. ;-)
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Ok, don't want to see more parallels than there are. But, but... with Stark Trek it's all about hitting the reset button and here in Lost we (they) are also hitting the reset button.
Now, I love Lost and I liked Star Trek.
But this will get OLD really fast...
As a matter of fact, i'm calling it old right fging now.
Good finale thought. ;-)
Now, I love Lost and I liked Star Trek.
But this will get OLD really fast...
As a matter of fact, i'm calling it old right fging now.
Good finale thought. ;-)
Please no spoilers about Star Trek in the Lost thread. Some of us (like me) have never seen Star Trek yet and would appreciate it being unspoiled before I watch it.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Has anyone thought about the title of the show having to do with Lost as in I won and you Lost? Since it seems like a game between two individuals sort of like Highlander maybe this is what it ultimately is referring to.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
One thing I noticed in the opening was that Jacob was wearing white and his enemy was wearing black. In the episode where they discovered "Adam and Eve," Jack found stones with the bodies, one black stone & one white stone.
I very highly doubt that everything will be answered. They've already admitted that they're never going to revisit Libby.