NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
07-04-10, 01:26 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
I read this the other night: http://www.studiobriefing.net/2010/0...alking-papers/
All rumor and speculation, of course, but it seems just as likely as not. I would love for his show to stop on August 30th and have Conan's first TBS show just be a straight hour of him laughing hysterically.
Low ratings and high production costs have pushed NBC’s Tonight show with Jay Leno into the red, the New York Post reported today (Friday), citing unnamed insiders. “Leno May Be Next,” the newspaper said in a headline, suggesting that Comcast may replace Leno once it gains control of NBC Universal later this year. “You can’t figure they’re happy about this,” said the newspaper’s source. Ratings for Tonight have fallen below those that Conan O’Brien garnered when he hosted last year. Moreover, the network is shelling out considerably more money for Leno than it did for O’Brien — $30 million per year vs. O’Brien’s $15 million, according to the newspaper, plus the cost of a bigger production staff. What’s more, the Tonight show, whose audience is down 20 percent since Leno left the show a year ago, has been overtaken in the ratings by the ABC newsmagazine Nightline at 11:30 p.m., and Tonight’s ratings appear to have only one way to go once O’Brien enters the late-night fray in the fall. Meanwhile, David Letterman’s ratings remain virtually flat with last year, which, commented the website TVbytheNumbers.com, “is pretty good in the broadcast television world where ‘flat is the new up.’” Letterman’s network, CBS, boasted in a news release on Thursday that Letterman’s Late Show “delivered its most competitive second quarter against The Tonight Show in viewers and key demographics since 1995.
07-04-10, 02:17 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
I'm drawing a blank trying to think of someone who would make a suitable replacement though.
07-04-10, 02:48 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Leno is personally responsible, in so far as, as far back as 2004 and for the succeeding five years, he could have simply told NBC that he didn't want to leave late night, and if they forced him out, he would set up shop at another network. Conan never would have had the chance to host The Tonight Show, but he would have been saved the humiliation of being set up to fail, and then having the show taken away from him.
07-04-10, 03:21 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
NBC is all about 18-49. They have even spent years at upfronts denying that any other measure exists or matters.
Whose 18-49 was getting it done?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Fuck NBC and Leno.
Whose 18-49 was getting it done?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Fuck NBC and Leno.
07-04-10, 06:53 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Is that the case? According to the story posted earlier, "Less than six months after Jay Leno returned to hosting The Tonight Show, the show's ratings are the lowest they've been since 1992, Variety reports." That doesn't seem to exclude the Conan run on the show. But maybe it was poor wording in the story.
07-04-10, 10:41 PM
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07-20-10, 12:33 AM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
According to Hollywood.com via Deon Cole's tweet, the only category that will not be televised is "Outstanding Variety, Music or Comedy Series". Wow, just wow, NBC.
I recall the day the Emmy nominations were announced quite fondly, mainly because Conan O'Brien was nominated for hosting an "Outstanding Variety, Music or Comedy Series." It was a delightful morning: daisies stood up a little taller and dogs only pooped on the streets when their owners had baggies to pick it up. We were all excited to watch Conan win the category, mostly because we knew his acceptance speech would be epic, and even though Stewart and Colbert are great too, Conan got shafted and the only thing that can make him feel better is a winged lady in a flowy dress. And, because the two jabs he'd make at Jay Leno (Conan's too classy for more than that) while he was onstage would prevent the entire award show from being the same monstrous waste of time that it always is.
And now, it is with great displeasure that I stick a sewing needle in your balloon and tell you that category will not be televised. The Emmy producers (who have quite a lot of unordered pizzas headed their way) have decided against airing the announcement of the nominees and then the winner of the late night category. One of Conan's writers (Dean Cole) tweeted, "NOT 'NBC' but the powers that be has sent us an email saying that the category we are nominated for will not be televised this year! really?"
I'm desperately trying to remain calm. Do we think Jay Leno did this? He's made the occasional "woe is me" joke about not being nominated, but behind the scenes he could be really miffed about it! If this is his doing, he's worse than the Wizard of Oz: he's more demanding, unafraid of bribing people, and whines and whines until we submit to him and his big face. How is this NOT something he's orchestrating?
And now, it is with great displeasure that I stick a sewing needle in your balloon and tell you that category will not be televised. The Emmy producers (who have quite a lot of unordered pizzas headed their way) have decided against airing the announcement of the nominees and then the winner of the late night category. One of Conan's writers (Dean Cole) tweeted, "NOT 'NBC' but the powers that be has sent us an email saying that the category we are nominated for will not be televised this year! really?"
I'm desperately trying to remain calm. Do we think Jay Leno did this? He's made the occasional "woe is me" joke about not being nominated, but behind the scenes he could be really miffed about it! If this is his doing, he's worse than the Wizard of Oz: he's more demanding, unafraid of bribing people, and whines and whines until we submit to him and his big face. How is this NOT something he's orchestrating?
09-01-10, 05:11 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Not sure if this is the right thread or if there should be a new one, but the name of the new show is "Conan."
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain..._premiere.html
Conan O'Brien ended months of useless speculation Tuesday and officially released the name of his new TBS show: "Conan."
"It's 'Conan,' simple, pure, like the guy himself," O'Brien said in a Youtube video released first to NY Magazine's Vulture blog and TeamCoco.com.
O'Brien, who walked away from NBC's "Tonight" show earlier this year with his pockets full of millions of dollars, will launch his new late-night talker on TBS November 8.
In the video, O'Brien appears behind a desk in a bare office.
"I've still got the beard," he says, "and a pretty crappy office."
He jokes that he spent millions of dollars and had legal and media research teams look into potential names, but ultimately came up with "Conan."
"I got a lot of work to do, it will be great," he says before scurrying off the screen.
O'Brien spent 17 years at NBC, first as host of "Late Night" and then "Tonight," where he left after nine months as host.
His decision to bolt came after NBC officials moved to fix the network’s ailing lineup, which included the failing Jay Leno show at 10 p.m. The initial idea was to move Leno to 11:30 p.m., with a half-hour show leading into "Tonight" with O'Brien as host at midnight.
O'Brien balked and settled on a severance package estimated at $45 million, for he and his staff.
Afterwards he was courted by Fox for a new late night show, but ended up in a deal with TBS, where he'll be paired with George Lopez' "Lopez Tonight."
"It's 'Conan,' simple, pure, like the guy himself," O'Brien said in a Youtube video released first to NY Magazine's Vulture blog and TeamCoco.com.
O'Brien, who walked away from NBC's "Tonight" show earlier this year with his pockets full of millions of dollars, will launch his new late-night talker on TBS November 8.
In the video, O'Brien appears behind a desk in a bare office.
"I've still got the beard," he says, "and a pretty crappy office."
He jokes that he spent millions of dollars and had legal and media research teams look into potential names, but ultimately came up with "Conan."
"I got a lot of work to do, it will be great," he says before scurrying off the screen.
O'Brien spent 17 years at NBC, first as host of "Late Night" and then "Tonight," where he left after nine months as host.
His decision to bolt came after NBC officials moved to fix the network’s ailing lineup, which included the failing Jay Leno show at 10 p.m. The initial idea was to move Leno to 11:30 p.m., with a half-hour show leading into "Tonight" with O'Brien as host at midnight.
O'Brien balked and settled on a severance package estimated at $45 million, for he and his staff.
Afterwards he was courted by Fox for a new late night show, but ended up in a deal with TBS, where he'll be paired with George Lopez' "Lopez Tonight."
09-01-10, 07:31 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Not sure if this is the right thread or if there should be a new one, but the name of the new show is "Conan."
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain..._premiere.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain..._premiere.html
09-01-10, 07:44 PM
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Leno ratings: 'Tonight's' worst summer ever
But host soundly beating David Letterman
By James Hibberd
Sept 3, 2010, 01:00 AM ET
NBC might have summer's most-watched show in "America's Got Talent," but the network's late-night ratings aren't so sunny.
"The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" is pulling a smaller number in the advertiser-coveted adults 18-49 demographic than when Conan O'Brien hosted the show last year.
In fact, this summer is the lowest-rated "Tonight" on record, though such feats have become increasingly common on broadcast across the board.
Since the end of the broadcast season, Leno is averaging 3.8 million viewers and a 1.0 adults 18-49 rating. That's a 12% improvement in total audience compared with O'Brien, though off 23% in the demo and down in both measurements compared with Leno's performance two years ago. His percentages greatly improve if comparisons begin a few weeks deeper into the summer so "Tonight" is not facing O'Brien's opening weeks hosting the show, though O'Brien is tops in the demo either way.
Even with the reduced rating, Leno is back to beating his top rival, CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman," by a healthy 22% in both metrics. CBS touts that Letterman's ratings are at least holding steady compared with last summer, when Letterman hit an all-time low of his own. Other late-night hosts have been showing stability too, with NBC's "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon," CBS' "The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson" and ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" maintaining their demo averages, and Fallon and Kimmel even sporting gains in total viewers.
Heading into the fall, NBC's affiliates say that, if anything, they're pleased about the schedule in general and late-night in particular. Last year, stations contended with the expected ratings decline of putting Leno at 10 p.m. and the uncertainty of O'Brien hosting "Tonight."
Station managers are looking forward to having scripted dramas back in late primetime, which in turn should fuel audience momentum into late-night. There's an expectation that it's nearly impossible not to have a better story to tell advertisers in the fall, especially with NBC stocking up on dramas like high-concept series "The Event" and shows from top-shelf producers Dick Wolf ("Law & Order: Los Angeles"), Jerry Bruckheimer ("Chase") and J.J. Abrams ("Undercovers").
"There's been a lot of NBC stations that have suffered significant declines in late prime, and that's not going to happen with this lineup based on the estimates buyers are getting," said Eric Lassberg, president and GM of NBC affiliate KXAN-TV Austin. "All evidence points to our ratings going up [at 10 p.m.]."
But host soundly beating David Letterman
By James Hibberd
Sept 3, 2010, 01:00 AM ET
NBC might have summer's most-watched show in "America's Got Talent," but the network's late-night ratings aren't so sunny.
"The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" is pulling a smaller number in the advertiser-coveted adults 18-49 demographic than when Conan O'Brien hosted the show last year.
In fact, this summer is the lowest-rated "Tonight" on record, though such feats have become increasingly common on broadcast across the board.
Since the end of the broadcast season, Leno is averaging 3.8 million viewers and a 1.0 adults 18-49 rating. That's a 12% improvement in total audience compared with O'Brien, though off 23% in the demo and down in both measurements compared with Leno's performance two years ago. His percentages greatly improve if comparisons begin a few weeks deeper into the summer so "Tonight" is not facing O'Brien's opening weeks hosting the show, though O'Brien is tops in the demo either way.
Even with the reduced rating, Leno is back to beating his top rival, CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman," by a healthy 22% in both metrics. CBS touts that Letterman's ratings are at least holding steady compared with last summer, when Letterman hit an all-time low of his own. Other late-night hosts have been showing stability too, with NBC's "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon," CBS' "The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson" and ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" maintaining their demo averages, and Fallon and Kimmel even sporting gains in total viewers.
Heading into the fall, NBC's affiliates say that, if anything, they're pleased about the schedule in general and late-night in particular. Last year, stations contended with the expected ratings decline of putting Leno at 10 p.m. and the uncertainty of O'Brien hosting "Tonight."
Station managers are looking forward to having scripted dramas back in late primetime, which in turn should fuel audience momentum into late-night. There's an expectation that it's nearly impossible not to have a better story to tell advertisers in the fall, especially with NBC stocking up on dramas like high-concept series "The Event" and shows from top-shelf producers Dick Wolf ("Law & Order: Los Angeles"), Jerry Bruckheimer ("Chase") and J.J. Abrams ("Undercovers").
"There's been a lot of NBC stations that have suffered significant declines in late prime, and that's not going to happen with this lineup based on the estimates buyers are getting," said Eric Lassberg, president and GM of NBC affiliate KXAN-TV Austin. "All evidence points to our ratings going up [at 10 p.m.]."
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Leno's new set is very odd. For one thing, his desk looks like a riverboat. Also, the set looks like the lobby of an nursing home, and instead of the traditional city view backdrop, it just looks like he's sitting in a first-floor lobby. What on earth?
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