Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
That was the reason why Locke didn't want to get the surgery. He feels responsible for it and feels he has to punish himself for causing it. Jack discussed this with him when he was trying to convince him to get the surgery.
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Yeah, I guess I was trying to over analyze it in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
As for Flocke being evil, I can't see ever being able to say that Jacob is "good" but I don't think anyone would ever not consider what these two do as being evil when compared to our society and morals. Jacob still seems to be the lesser of two evils, but his direct involvement in causing the losties to crash on the island is not a "good" thing to do. Neither of these two entities is good.
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I loved the episode. My wife cried so hard I had to get her tissues.
I always loved Sun, so even with the other time line, I had trouble watching her die.
Ok, I'm not a complainer and I won't complain after the finale no matter what happens.
BUT the way things are going are we likely to even find out how the island came to be, whether Jacob and MIB where the first to be in those positions and why, how the island was found by the Dharma intiative, what made them even think there was something special about the place, etc?
I know we're not going to get all the answers, but it does seem like with little time to go and whatever is going to happen in the alt time, I'm not sure how they will or could explain any or most of that kind of stuff and other things that ARE actually important and not just whether or not Christian was or wasn't actually MIB when he appeared to Jack, which seems like less important compared to all those stories and if we don't know why they even came to be, I just think that's too much to not explain considering how much of the show was dedicated to it.
I think I'm the only one who has always liked Kate. The character of Jack was always really impressive to me from the beginning. He seemed like almost the perfect man, especially at the beginning, so since he loved Kate, I found it impossible to ever not like Kate, myself.
I always loved Sun, so even with the other time line, I had trouble watching her die.
Ok, I'm not a complainer and I won't complain after the finale no matter what happens.
BUT the way things are going are we likely to even find out how the island came to be, whether Jacob and MIB where the first to be in those positions and why, how the island was found by the Dharma intiative, what made them even think there was something special about the place, etc?
I know we're not going to get all the answers, but it does seem like with little time to go and whatever is going to happen in the alt time, I'm not sure how they will or could explain any or most of that kind of stuff and other things that ARE actually important and not just whether or not Christian was or wasn't actually MIB when he appeared to Jack, which seems like less important compared to all those stories and if we don't know why they even came to be, I just think that's too much to not explain considering how much of the show was dedicated to it.
I think I'm the only one who has always liked Kate. The character of Jack was always really impressive to me from the beginning. He seemed like almost the perfect man, especially at the beginning, so since he loved Kate, I found it impossible to ever not like Kate, myself.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Almost a perfect episode even though it was sad. I just wish Jack would have ditched Sawyer so he could help save Jin and Sun. He made a promise to her, dammit.
I wonder what's holding back the Locke-ness monster from killing Claire already. She must be annoying him by now and it's not like he's not allowed. Maybe he thinks she's his key to killing Jack.
I wonder what's holding back the Locke-ness monster from killing Claire already. She must be annoying him by now and it's not like he's not allowed. Maybe he thinks she's his key to killing Jack.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Sun should have insisted Jin leave...after all he never met his daughter...
That being said...such an emotional episode. I also realized I am not prepared for what happens and that I really dont want LOST to end.
That being said...such an emotional episode. I also realized I am not prepared for what happens and that I really dont want LOST to end.
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What a bummer of a episode. The wife was upset that Jin didn't leave so that their child at least had one parent alive.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Yeah I can't help but feel these are just fake deaths.
The sideways world, where everyone is alive, will take over at the end. I can't imagine it not happening otherwise.
The sideways world, where everyone is alive, will take over at the end. I can't imagine it not happening otherwise.
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Sun and Jin's death were a pale comparison, emotionally to Charlie's demise; that said, the shot of their hands was the closest I got to shedding tears.
A few questions I have now:
1.) Was Claire's music box playing "Catch a Falling Star?"
2.) Does anyone think Ben will have a major part to play in the end? Very convenient he, Richard, and Miles have essentially disappeared the past few episodes.
3.) Was anyone else wondering why they didn't do an emergency surface blow? Yes, it would have jeopardized the safety of everyone on board the sub, but those were better odds than letting some C4 blow underwater.
A few questions I have now:
1.) Was Claire's music box playing "Catch a Falling Star?"
2.) Does anyone think Ben will have a major part to play in the end? Very convenient he, Richard, and Miles have essentially disappeared the past few episodes.
3.) Was anyone else wondering why they didn't do an emergency surface blow? Yes, it would have jeopardized the safety of everyone on board the sub, but those were better odds than letting some C4 blow underwater.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
6 years building up Sayid and they send him off like that? Very disappointing... When did Zombie Sayid develop a conscience? It was felt off that he "saved" the crew after what he had been doing for the majority of the season.
Jin/Sun was well done except for the fact that their daughter wasn't mentioned in the final moments at all... I guess they forgot about her. =/ But, it made sense that he stayed since he gave the last oxygen tank to Jack.
...and F the writers for teasing Kate's death... Damn you ocean water for magically healing her.
MiB/Locke was great though.
Jin/Sun was well done except for the fact that their daughter wasn't mentioned in the final moments at all... I guess they forgot about her. =/ But, it made sense that he stayed since he gave the last oxygen tank to Jack.
...and F the writers for teasing Kate's death... Damn you ocean water for magically healing her.
MiB/Locke was great though.
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Ok, it would seem MiB can't kill the candidates himself, but he's allowed (and wants to) persuade others to kill them or put them in situations where they kill themselves/each other. So in S4, when Keamy's men have a group with several candidates pinned down, why would MiB show up to help? And what did Ben do to 'call' him? I'm really curious to see if all the MiB/Jacob stuff ends up enriching a rewatch of the entire show, or if it highlights inconsistencies that make it seem like they made it up as they went along.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Plus, this is Lost we're talking about. Dead people almost outnumber the living.
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Ok, it would seem MiB can't kill the candidates himself, but he's allowed (and wants to) persuade others to kill them or put them in situations where they kill themselves/each other. So in S4, when Keamy's men have a group with several candidates pinned down, why would MiB show up to help?
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I wasn't moved at all by the deaths of Sun and Jin. It probably had something to do with the fact that we saw Jin jauntily walking through the hospital just a few minutes later.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
I'm getting tired of TV/movie writers that use the "the bullet went all the way through" scenario, where the gunshot victim goes from what should be certain death to simply wincing.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
BUT the way things are going are we likely to even find out how the island came to be, whether Jacob and MIB where the first to be in those positions and why, how the island was found by the Dharma intiative, what made them even think there was something special about the place, etc?
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I think I'm the only one who has always liked Kate. The character of Jack was always really impressive to me from the beginning. He seemed like almost the perfect man, especially at the beginning, so since he loved Kate, I found it impossible to ever not like Kate, myself.
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Okay. So the SIDEWAYS timeline is supposed to fold into the "main" timeline where Sun and Jin just died very soon (in fact I expected it to be in this episode). When the split is undone will that result in reviving characters that have died (i.e. the Kwons, Locke, Sayid, Charlie, etc.)?
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
2.) I feel like Ben's story is mostly played out (lifelong manipulator got manipulated and put in his place), but I imagine those characters haven't disappeared off the island for good.