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Old 05-05-10, 07:50 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by spamurai
6 years building up Sayid and they send him off like that? Very disappointing... When did Zombie Sayid develop a conscience? It was felt off that he "saved" the crew after what he had been doing for the majority of the season.
It's the end of the show. They've spent 6 years building up Sayid as a morally ambiguous character. This season they decided to generate some suspense by having him lean toward the darkside, only to turn around and completely redeem himself to save the others at the end.

A perfect, fitting ending for the character IMO.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by 12thmonkey
I'm getting tired of TV/movie writers that use the "the bullet went all the way through" scenario, where the gunshot victim goes from what should be certain death to simply wincing.
Agreed, pointless and obvious fake-outs like this one have always been one of Lost's major weak points. Very few people have actually died from gunshot wounds on this show, despite just about all of them having suffered one at some point or another.

That brings up another thought: I've realized during the past couple of seasons just how many scenes in Lost have had characters pointing guns at one another or someone else. Always with the gunplay, even when clearly immune supernatural elements are involved. I'd like to go back when it's over and run a tally of how many times guns were pointed at someone across the series.

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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

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...and F the writers for teasing Kate's death... Damn you ocean water for magically healing her.
if it makes you feel any better I'm sure the salt water made her gunshot wound sting like hell!

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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Ok, the two week break put me in a state of confusion. Sawyer is with Locke, no he is with Widmore, no he is back with Locke, no he doesn't trust Locke.

Why did Jack get in the sub if he was going to stay?

What did Jack mean when he said they wouldn't die? Did Sawyer cause the explosion by disarming the bomb?

If Locke wanted to get them all in one location to kill them, why did he tell them about the C4 on the plane?


What happened to Miles and Ben? I can't remember if they were still with Locke's group. Locke said his group is all dead.


With that said, what an amazing episode. Definitely felt like I was watching a high budget movie and not a tv show. Locke is just so cold and evil, snapping people's necks and running into bullets with a smile. Oh and Bernard sure has a kind face. I want him to be my dentist lol
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
Why did Jack get in the sub if he was going to stay?
Because there were guys with guns, an angry smoke monster, a possibly angry Claire outside, and he needed to get Kate to safety.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
If Locke wanted to get them all in one location to kill them, why did he tell them about the C4 on the plane?
Good question.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Because Jack wouldn't get on the plane.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
If Locke wanted to get them all in one location to kill them, why did he tell them about the C4 on the plane?

Because Locke doesn't want to be with them when they discover the C4. He doesn't want to die with them. Although, the explosion might not have hurt him? Hmm.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by spamurai
6 years building up Sayid and they send him off like that? Very disappointing... When did Zombie Sayid develop a conscience? It was felt off that he "saved" the crew after what he had been doing for the majority of the season.
I think Sayid realized that the MiB wasn't going to fulfill his promise to Sayid when he found himself stuck on a sub with the MiB's bomb on it. Even beyond the Desmond thing, I'd say the Sayid/MiB alliance ended right there.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

I have no idea how this would work out in 3 episodes... but any chance the "Kwon" name in the cave is referring to the daughter?

I teared up. I always liked Sun and Jin's story.

And Sayid was ALWAYS about redemption. His whole life was filled with guilt. He did the right thing. I think it was a good episode.

And am I the only one NOT interested in the Jacob/MIB episode? Those are not characters I care about.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
Ok, the two week break put me in a state of confusion. Sawyer is with Locke, no he is with Widmore, no he is back with Locke, no he doesn't trust Locke.
He's playing both sides of Locke/Widmore, lying to both of them to keep them at it each others throats, so he can escape in the chaos.

Why did Jack get in the sub if he was going to stay?
Answered above. Guns made the sub look a lot more attractive, and he probably figured he could get off before it left.

What did Jack mean when he said they wouldn't die? Did Sawyer cause the explosion by disarming the bomb?
Jack realized that the island/Jacob would not let them die by MiB's hand, but they could harm themselves by acting incorrectly. So if they had just sat there and done nothing, something would have happened to save them. (Detonator fails, timer battery dies, etc.) Sort of like what happened when Richard tried to suicide by dynamite. So yes, Sawyer caused the explosion, by messing with the timer.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
Ok, the two week break put me in a state of confusion. Sawyer is with Locke, no he is with Widmore, no he is back with Locke, no he doesn't trust Locke.
Sawyer isn't with either of them. He's been playing them both to get to the sub.

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
What did Jack mean when he said they wouldn't die? Did Sawyer cause the explosion by disarming the bomb?
We'll probably never know for sure, but I would guess that Sawyer caused the explosion by pulling the wires. If he had done nothing, it would not have exploded.

Originally Posted by dvdaddict32
What happened to Miles and Ben? I can't remember if they were still with Locke's group. Locke said his group is all dead.
They're with Richard, supposedly on their way to Hydra to destroy the plane. I'm sure they'll pop out of the bushes soon to warn everybody about something.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by Palaver
Sawyer isn't with either of them. He's been playing them both to get to the sub.



We'll probably never know for sure, but I would guess that Sawyer caused the explosion by pulling the wires. If he had done nothing, it would not have exploded.



They're with Richard, supposedly on their way to Hydra to destroy the plane. I'm sure they'll pop out of the bushes soon to warn everybody about something.
Good answers. I loved how next week's preview referenced the Locke backgammon game way back in episode one. Just amazes me that the writers had this all planned even way back then!
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by dx23
My wife started crying when Hurley started crying.
I almost LOST it too.

Originally Posted by whotony
^ I'm not

Also I'm not convinced Jin is dead.
Me neither.

Originally Posted by MoviePage
... and I don't think at this point in the show, with only a few hours left, they're going to spend time on a scene where MiB says "remember that time very recently when I told you that was me masquerading as your father? I lied, LOL!"
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

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Jack realized that the island/Jacob would not let them die by MiB's hand, but they could harm themselves by acting incorrectly. So if they had just sat there and done nothing, something would have happened to save them. (Detonator fails, timer battery dies, etc.) Sort of like what happened when Richard tried to suicide by dynamite. So yes, Sawyer caused the explosion, by messing with the timer.
Isn't what Richard tried to do with the dynamite similar to Sawyer messing with the bomb, only with different outcomes?

Or is the important thing intent? Richard tried to kill himself but couldn't. Sawyer tried to save them and almost ended up killing them instead. Of course, Sayid did try to kill himself and succeeded (although it was a sacrifice play).
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by spamurai

Jin/Sun was well done except for the fact that their daughter wasn't mentioned in the final moments at all... I guess they forgot about her. =/ But, it made sense that he stayed since he gave the last oxygen tank to Jack.
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Yeah that frustrated my pregnant wife...she was thinking..how could Jin leave their child parentless.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

I like the little echoes of past moments showing up in the alternate timeline. There are some obvious ones (how many alterna-characters are going to say "What happened, happened?" this season?), but also more subtle ones like Jack's "I wish you'd listen to me" to Locke, and Locke's small pause of recognition.

And regarding Jin and Sun, has everyone forgotten the moment earlier in the episode when they specifically discussed the child being left in the good care of Sun's mother? Maybe that's not sufficient for some people, but at least they addressed it and wrapped it up.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

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Me neither.
Producers said Sun and Jin are dead. Get convinced
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

two lifeless hands becoming unheld underwater ... where's the ambiguity?
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

So I think it's now pretty clear how Lost is going to play out. The "alternate" timeline where everyone is still alive (and Sun/Jin are happily awaiting the birth of their daughter) is going to be the final reality and will give us our happy ending. The island timeline is going to be erased and the island will disappear/be destroyed. I'm not sure how all that's going to happen and I wouldn't care to guess at this point but I'm pretty sure that Desmond will play a major role. Basically we're going to get a Newhart ending -- it was all a dream -- albeit a little bit more complicated than that.

I usually react strongly to emotionally charged events like Sun/Jin dying, but I think I actually yawned last night during this scene. The writers really screwed the pooch with the way they've constructed this season. We know that everyone is still alive in the other timeline so there is little to no emotional impact when a major character dies.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Producers said Sun and Jin are dead. Get convinced
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

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So I think it's now pretty clear how Lost is going to play out. The "alternate" timeline where everyone is still alive (and Sun/Jin are happily awaiting the birth of their daughter) is going to be the final reality and will give us our happy ending. The island timeline is going to be erased and the island will disappear/be destroyed. I'm not sure how all that's going to happen and I wouldn't care to guess at this point but I'm pretty sure that Desmond will play a major role. Basically we're going to get a Newhart ending -- it was all a dream -- albeit a little bit more complicated than that.
I'd love it if the last scene is Fake John Locke asking Jack Shepherd on a beach "do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" as a ship or airplane approaches the island.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

They will all end up alive and well in some sort of time swap/reversal thing by the end of the season. I'm guessing mix of reality and the flash-sideways. Either way, this season has been quite a let down for me. Once they introduced Jacob and MIB, it was over. I really don't care about them and they are never really explained. Also, the temple stuff sucked hard. It was still interesting last season with Faraday and the time travel stuff at least.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by RoyalTea
I'd love it if the last scene is Fake John Locke asking Jack Shepherd on a beach "do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" as a ship or airplane approaches the island.
We should give this theory it's own sticky.
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10

Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Producers said Sun and Jin are dead. Get convinced
Fine.


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