Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
05-05-10, 10:11 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Agreed, pointless and obvious fake-outs like this one have always been one of Lost's major weak points. Very few people have actually died from gunshot wounds on this show, despite just about all of them having suffered one at some point or another.
That brings up another thought: I've realized during the past couple of seasons just how many scenes in Lost have had characters pointing guns at one another or someone else. Always with the gunplay, even when clearly immune supernatural elements are involved. I'd like to go back when it's over and run a tally of how many times guns were pointed at someone across the series.
That brings up another thought: I've realized during the past couple of seasons just how many scenes in Lost have had characters pointing guns at one another or someone else. Always with the gunplay, even when clearly immune supernatural elements are involved. I'd like to go back when it's over and run a tally of how many times guns were pointed at someone across the series.
05-05-10, 10:16 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
So do we think Locke planted the C-4 in the plane or did Widmore? At first I thought it was Richard and Ben, but when I saw it was C-4 and not dynamite, I knew it wasn't. If it was Widmore, why would he do that, I assume he knows he can't kill the man in black, and it just doesn't make sense for man in black to have planted it (where did he get c-4 and he isn't supposed to be able to kill candidates)
05-05-10, 10:19 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
[QUOTE=Flave;10141396]I usually react strongly to emotionally charged events like Sun/Jin dying, but I think I actually yawned last night during this scene. QUOTE]
Well I certainly didn't yawn, but it was bugging the crap out of me that they were talking English in their final moments and that really took me out of the scene. I think I'm also way too burned out on flooding submarines from umpteen action movies, so that didn't help, either.
I always figured Sayid would have an "honorable" death, but I didn't expect it so soon. I was SO sure that we were going to have a scene of Smokey mistakenly "resurrecting" Shannon for Sayid instead of Nadia!
Very bummed out about Lapidus. Hope he still has some important role to play in one reality or another.
Well I certainly didn't yawn, but it was bugging the crap out of me that they were talking English in their final moments and that really took me out of the scene. I think I'm also way too burned out on flooding submarines from umpteen action movies, so that didn't help, either.
I always figured Sayid would have an "honorable" death, but I didn't expect it so soon. I was SO sure that we were going to have a scene of Smokey mistakenly "resurrecting" Shannon for Sayid instead of Nadia!
Very bummed out about Lapidus. Hope he still has some important role to play in one reality or another.
05-05-10, 10:28 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
So do we think Locke planted the C-4 in the plane or did Widmore? At first I thought it was Richard and Ben, but when I saw it was C-4 and not dynamite, I knew it wasn't. If it was Widmore, why would he do that, I assume he knows he can't kill the man in black, and it just doesn't make sense for man in black to have planted it (where did he get c-4 and he isn't supposed to be able to kill candidates)
05-05-10, 10:35 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
I'm convinced that when this show is over, people will still be looking for zebras.
Just ran across the first online comment I've seen in the aftermath of last night's show from someone who's still arguing that MiB is the good guy. Apparently he's just killing everyone off to pave the way for the alternate timeline, where everyone is happy, to exist.
Right.
Just ran across the first online comment I've seen in the aftermath of last night's show from someone who's still arguing that MiB is the good guy. Apparently he's just killing everyone off to pave the way for the alternate timeline, where everyone is happy, to exist.
Right.
05-05-10, 10:36 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Or have that exchange while the island sinks into the Pacific, camera pans to beautiful sunset, fade to black. LOST.
05-05-10, 10:52 AM
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05-05-10, 10:53 AM
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And how the smoke monster is so sound about his weaponry and bomb making is beyond me. Does he have special forces come in and train him on the weekends? And I wonder if he is a byproduct of the bong of the Gods.
05-05-10, 10:55 AM
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That is what I think. Jack didn't have to touch the fuse for the dynamite and it fizzled out on its own. Locke was relying on one of the Losties to take it in their own hands and ultimately causing the bomb to go off. So Sawyer is pissed at Jack for getting Juliet killed now everyone that made it out of the sub can be pissed at Sawyer for getting their friends killed.
05-05-10, 11:08 AM
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So do we think Locke planted the C-4 in the plane or did Widmore? At first I thought it was Richard and Ben, but when I saw it was C-4 and not dynamite, I knew it wasn't. If it was Widmore, why would he do that, I assume he knows he can't kill the man in black, and it just doesn't make sense for man in black to have planted it (where did he get c-4 and he isn't supposed to be able to kill candidates)
They are the only ones that make sense. Widmore appears to want the candidates alive. MiB just arrived and we saw him find the C4 already planted. The Ben group is only ones left.
05-05-10, 11:09 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
He reminded me of Jason Voorhees last night. An unstoppable killing machine. Even the way he speed walked. Instead of a machete, it was a gun.
05-05-10, 11:16 AM
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05-05-10, 11:32 AM
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Smoke Monster = World's Greatest Deus Ex Machina
05-05-10, 11:53 AM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
So do we think Locke planted the C-4 in the plane or did Widmore? At first I thought it was Richard and Ben, but when I saw it was C-4 and not dynamite, I knew it wasn't. If it was Widmore, why would he do that, I assume he knows he can't kill the man in black, and it just doesn't make sense for man in black to have planted it (where did he get c-4 and he isn't supposed to be able to kill candidates)
Even though I've enjoyed this season, I have to agree that they introduced the Jacob/MIB characters and their conflict too late in the series.
05-05-10, 12:01 PM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Isn't what Richard tried to do with the dynamite similar to Sawyer messing with the bomb, only with different outcomes?
Or is the important thing intent? Richard tried to kill himself but couldn't. Sawyer tried to save them and almost ended up killing them instead. Of course, Sayid did try to kill himself and succeeded (although it was a sacrifice play).
Or is the important thing intent? Richard tried to kill himself but couldn't. Sawyer tried to save them and almost ended up killing them instead. Of course, Sayid did try to kill himself and succeeded (although it was a sacrifice play).
05-05-10, 12:02 PM
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05-05-10, 12:40 PM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
Ok, it would seem MiB can't kill the candidates himself, but he's allowed (and wants to) persuade others to kill them or put them in situations where they kill themselves/each other. So in S4, when Keamy's men have a group with several candidates pinned down, why would MiB show up to help? And what did Ben do to 'call' him? I'm really curious to see if all the MiB/Jacob stuff ends up enriching a rewatch of the entire show, or if it highlights inconsistencies that make it seem like they made it up as they went along.
05-05-10, 12:43 PM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
I used to like Kate's character, but I hate how she ended up being written as just a dumb chick who has no real part in this story anymore. I really used to love her character when she felt like a strong yet flawed person, who actually had a purpose.
05-05-10, 12:45 PM
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Re: Lost -- "The Candidate" -- 05/04/10
It's the end of the show. They've spent 6 years building up Sayid as a morally ambiguous character. This season they decided to generate some suspense by having him lean toward the darkside, only to turn around and completely redeem himself to save the others at the end.
A perfect, fitting ending for the character IMO.
A perfect, fitting ending for the character IMO.
