Larry C.

So you're making the assumption I only used my 17" laptop? I also viewed it on my 42" 1080P screen. Believe me I wanted to see a significant difference but didn't.

Brack

Don't worry, you didn't and won't. It's essentially an emulator.

Adam Tyner

Digital Foundry just posted a deep dive into one developer's experience with the Wii U in the lead-up to launch: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...e-inside-story

Since I've never developed a game -- let alone one with hardware/SDK in flux! -- I don't have a point of reference, but this sounds pretty brutal. If this experience was typical, no wonder third parties turned their backs on the console.

Larry C.

I didn't buy a Wii U for third party. If a good one is made it's all bonus.

Brack

Exactly. And if Ubisoft supports the system, it can't be that bad.

Goldberg74

... oh, I get it. It's a joke.

Oh wait... is this a new character for Super Smash Bros???!??!??

fumanstan

The article actually doesn't seem that crazy as far as new devkits and difficulty goes. Its everyone seeing how underpowered the system was from the get go that makes Nintendos choices a head scratcher. I'd be interested in seeing an inside look from Microsoft, given all the rumors and changes for the Xbox. I imagine it isn't that different.

Adam Tyner

Adam Tyner

Nintendo announced their revised projections, and...ouch.

They originally forecasted 18 million 3DS sales this fiscal year; down to 13.5 million now.
3DS software sales were estimated for 80 million units; now down to 66 million.
9 million Wii U consoles -- now forecast for 2.8 million (yikes).
The anticipated 38 million Wii U software sales are now halved to 19 million.

Iwata will not resign, and there won't be any extensive management shakeups. I love my Wii U, and I want to see the console succeed. Hopefully these dismal numbers will force Nintendo to stop plugging its ears and pretending that everything's going swimmingly.

Schloob1

Another price drop by this summer for the WiiU perhaps? $250 for the Mario/Luigi and throw in the new Super Mario and you get me back Nintendo, just saying Can only imagine if the sales keep up like this what we might see next Black Friday.

RichC2

I still think $200 is the magic spot for the Wii U.

Adam Tyner

I think price is a factor but not the biggest deterrent. Nintendo needs to find a way to make people want the Wii U. Right now, the apathy is so deeply ingrained that even the people who already own a Wii U aren't buying the super-highly rated Super Mario 3D World in big numbers.

Schloob1

cough, NEW ZELDA, cough

At least for me that is the biggest thing I see missing.

Noonan

It's the console circle of death. People won't buy the hardware without the software to make it worth the purchase. Developers won't spend the money to make the software if the hardware isn't already in the hands of millions of users.

mattysemo247

I agree. At $200, I could justify that knowing that only first party titles would be of any interest to me (besides Bayonetta 2)

pinata242

Price is the major deterrent for me. I want Pikmin. I want Mario World. I want Wind Waker. But I do know that other than a handful of titles, the WiiU has limited uses in my household. I predicted a price cut around this coming E3 because of the XO and PS4 launches, these sales numbers are a harbinger of that.

There is no other way to play the Nintendo franchises so I really do want one, but I can't justify the console's cost and then the rarely-discounted software titles. It's a losing combination.

RichC2

I would buy another Wii U (sold mine months ago) at $199.

< $200 is impulse territory for me.

Deftones

Yeah, I'd buy one at $199 easily. I've actually been contemplating it for a while as my son has now taken over the living room with wanting to play Kinect games. I could park him on the couch with the controller and then continue to do what I want to do.

maxfisher

For those saying $200 is the magic price, I'm surprised the Best Buy xmas deal wasn't more tempting. That's what pulled me in. $300 for the deluxe, New Super Mario U, New Super Luigi U, ZombiU and a $25 giftcard, which was then used to get Wonderful 101 for free (after GCU 20%, would've been $5 otherwise). The fact that it was the same week as a 100% trade-in bonus and I wanted to cut my pile of shame in half sealed the deal for me. Between the sale and filling out the rest of the games I wanted with Hastings 50% off used sale that week, I feel like I was able to get in on the console at a pretty affordable price. That said, I'm guessing this holiday season will see even better deals, though I don't know by how much. I guess it depends what games you want.

pinata242

I didn't notice that particular bundle but I doubt I would have jumped. Besides the fact that Christmas isn't the best time to get money out of me for me, it's not a $200 deal. It's $300 out of pocket and really only a good deal if you want every single one of those games and use the $25 GC.

Not every bundle is a good deal to every costumer.

Larry C.

I could be wrong but I don't think it will go down to $199. $249.99 yes. And then after specials and promos it would average the lower price. MSRP of $199.99 maybe in 2015.

MoviePage

It really depends on the type of fabric.

pinata242

Oh geez. Clearly I haven't used my brain very much today.

RichC2

Yep but still $300. And in my case I had already finished those titles.

Goldberg74

Amazon has Wii Party U for $39.99 (with a black controller). It popped up in my Gold Box with another 5% off. We really enjoy this game.