Paramount/Dreamworks go HD DVD exclusive
08-20-07, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Hopefully Fox will show up the second time around! 
08-20-07, 10:33 PM
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Here's my paramount wish list (in order of theatrical release):
Godfather 1
Godfather 2
Star Trek II
Beverly Hills Cop
Braveheart (listed as a co-production w/Fox, so who knows?)
Beavis and Butthead (guilty pleasure)
Star Trek: First Contact
Face/Off
The Saint
Saving Private Ryan
South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut
Enemy at the Gates (would be on the list, but already imported)
Transformers (not released yet)
Cloverfield (2008, currently in theatrical production)
Iron man (2008, currently in theatrical production)
Dreamworks wish list:
none
Godfather 1
Godfather 2
Star Trek II
Beverly Hills Cop
Braveheart (listed as a co-production w/Fox, so who knows?)
Beavis and Butthead (guilty pleasure)
Star Trek: First Contact
Face/Off
The Saint
Saving Private Ryan
South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut
Enemy at the Gates (would be on the list, but already imported)
Transformers (not released yet)
Cloverfield (2008, currently in theatrical production)
Iron man (2008, currently in theatrical production)
Dreamworks wish list:
none
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08-20-07, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I imagine like many other studios, they truly thought Blu-Ray would be the CLEAR winner as of now. Why? The PS3. Remember before PS3 had launched? Blu-Ray was non-existent. It was ranked REALLY low on Amazon charts. Then the PS3 launched...it changed a bit. I still think the reason why many studios are BR exclusive is because they thought the PS3 would sell like nuts and be a video game leader this generation...and that has not happened. A format with 4+ Million Blu-Ray players against one with what, 500k is only selling movies at a 2:1 advantage? That's not very good.
08-20-07, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Where do you get this 50% exclusives from? As far as we all know, it's just Universal and Paramount. That doesn't add up to 50% exclusives. I'll stick to my Sony, Disney, Fox, Lionsgate, and Warner releases for now and maybe pick up a combo player a year from now depending on how things play out.
Netraul = WB, Newline (when they actually release)
Blu-Ray = Sony, MGM, Fox, Lionsgate, Disney
Go through...count up all the release exclusive on each side. Now, remember, WB has about 20-25 more titles on HD DVD due to the lack of a finished format on Blu-rays side. Now...who has more exclusives? Its about the same as of today. Now, go a few more months in the future...and its still, about the same if you count all of Fox's "announced" titles. Its split.
08-20-07, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
It goes back to what you just said. The studios have to release good movies (in Fox's case, just release them) in order to take advantage of the PS3 effect. Do you have any doubt that Spider-man 3 will not be huge come October?
Now, what about Transformers? Shrek 3? Bourne Ult.? Heroes? Knocked Up?
Both sides have big titles coming out this year. Sadly, I think Blades of Glory would have been a huge hit on Blu-Ray due to the PS3 demographic.
But both formats have roughly 300 movies available yet the format with 10x as many players can only have a almost 2:1 ratio? Thats not good enough.
08-20-07, 10:36 PM
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Wow, this news really seemed to come out of left field. 
Oh well, I was intending to go format neutral in a month or two anyway, and pick up a HD DVD player, so this announcement makes that decision even easier for me to make. Things will get really interesting in the next few months. On one hand, this ongoing format war has been a pain, but on the other hand, it has allowed prices to come down much faster than they normally would, and on top of that, it has been just fascinating to watch (and it looks like it ain't close to over yet).
Oh well, I was intending to go format neutral in a month or two anyway, and pick up a HD DVD player, so this announcement makes that decision even easier for me to make. Things will get really interesting in the next few months. On one hand, this ongoing format war has been a pain, but on the other hand, it has allowed prices to come down much faster than they normally would, and on top of that, it has been just fascinating to watch (and it looks like it ain't close to over yet).
08-20-07, 10:41 PM
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Eventually, one way or another, a high-definition format of some kind will take over for SD-DVD, and SD-DVD will be phased out. It may be HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or something else that takes over, but it will be ONE thing that takes over, not co-existing HD formats. Two or more HD formats might co-exist with SDDVD for a while, but when SD-DVD gets ready to retire, there is only going to be ONE format that is going to replace it. How long it will be before all this happens is anybody's guess, but 5-10 years seems like a reasonable window to me. I'd be shocked if you can still buy a new SD-DVD in a store in 2017. I would not be shocked if they were pretty much gone from stores as soon as 2012.
But what seems certain to me now with this news is that in 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner, the bull-headed executives from Sony and Toshiba who couldn't come to a format agreement are going to look back and realize that they set back the high definition revolution by years and cost both their companies billions of dollars.
We live in an era where people love their electronic toys and their are a lot of people with plenty of disposible income. I'm convinced that if there had been a single format from the start, with a $300 player and $20 discs, HD would have 10 times the market saturation that it has right now. A lot of people have HDTVs and a lot of people have money to spend on new gadgets. The changeover actually might have happened very quickly.
But I think the majority of consumers are like me: they don't want to be the sap in 3 years stuck with a $500 player that discs aren't being made for anymore that they can only use to watch their collection of 10 or 15 overpriced discs they bought when they felt SURE that (HD-DVD/BluRay) was going to be around forever. The masses aren't going to go for that, especially with the Betamax fiasco being so fresh in our social consciousness. This announcement is great evidence of why those of us who are holding off are right.
Stubborness and arrogance must rule the day at the boardroom tables at Sony and Toshiba, both thinking they are going to win the war and rule the HD world. But at this point, even if one of them does eventually win, it will be so bloody expensive by the end, both will wish they had cut a deal.
But what seems certain to me now with this news is that in 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner, the bull-headed executives from Sony and Toshiba who couldn't come to a format agreement are going to look back and realize that they set back the high definition revolution by years and cost both their companies billions of dollars.
We live in an era where people love their electronic toys and their are a lot of people with plenty of disposible income. I'm convinced that if there had been a single format from the start, with a $300 player and $20 discs, HD would have 10 times the market saturation that it has right now. A lot of people have HDTVs and a lot of people have money to spend on new gadgets. The changeover actually might have happened very quickly.
But I think the majority of consumers are like me: they don't want to be the sap in 3 years stuck with a $500 player that discs aren't being made for anymore that they can only use to watch their collection of 10 or 15 overpriced discs they bought when they felt SURE that (HD-DVD/BluRay) was going to be around forever. The masses aren't going to go for that, especially with the Betamax fiasco being so fresh in our social consciousness. This announcement is great evidence of why those of us who are holding off are right.
Stubborness and arrogance must rule the day at the boardroom tables at Sony and Toshiba, both thinking they are going to win the war and rule the HD world. But at this point, even if one of them does eventually win, it will be so bloody expensive by the end, both will wish they had cut a deal.
08-20-07, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
No, it will be HUGE. I will be buying the Trilogy.
Now, what about Transformers? Shrek 3? Bourne Ult.? Heroes? Knocked Up?
Both sides have big titles coming out this year. Sadly, I think Blades of Glory would have been a huge hit on Blu-Ray due to the PS3 demographic.
But both formats have roughly 300 movies available yet the format with 10x as many players can only have a almost 2:1 ratio? Thats not good enough.
Now, what about Transformers? Shrek 3? Bourne Ult.? Heroes? Knocked Up?
Both sides have big titles coming out this year. Sadly, I think Blades of Glory would have been a huge hit on Blu-Ray due to the PS3 demographic.
But both formats have roughly 300 movies available yet the format with 10x as many players can only have a almost 2:1 ratio? Thats not good enough.
08-20-07, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Stop with the bullshit mythical Chinese players. We are right at the home stretch for the start of Q4 and there haven't even been any specs announced.
Walmart will not go HD-dvd exclusive as they will not leave any Disney/Pixar money on the table.
Good news knowing that Paramount is not interested in breaking any hi-def records since Transformers was well on it's way to doing that. It will be nice to have an opening weeks sales of only a 100k. Thanks Paramount for bowing to Microsoft. Bravo!
Walmart will not go HD-dvd exclusive as they will not leave any Disney/Pixar money on the table.
Good news knowing that Paramount is not interested in breaking any hi-def records since Transformers was well on it's way to doing that. It will be nice to have an opening weeks sales of only a 100k. Thanks Paramount for bowing to Microsoft. Bravo!
Hey remember when Disney only offered Divx titles?
Originally Posted by wayback machine circa 1999
Much to the dismay of open-DVD proponents, the first animated film from Walt Disney's vaults to appear on DVD will be only in the Divx variation. Alice in Wonderland can be purchased as standard Divx pay-per-play and converted to DivxSilver unlimited viewing for $19.99. Dumbo is slated for June availability under similar pricing options.
http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virgini...g98/cover.html
If the market leans towards HD-DVD Disney would either go neutral or switch. They've done so in the past.
Anything is possible.
08-20-07, 10:45 PM
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I'm still waiting to see when Amazon is going to let me know that my Blades of Glory BD that I pre-ordered won't ever be coming - I'd switch it to HD right now, but it's part of a bigger order that I'd just have to flat out cancel and redo...and currently the BD is a buck cheaper, so I'll wait and see what they're doing with it...
Of course, now that Paramount says they're going to be more focused and release more catalogue product now that they're HD DVD exclusive, the big question remains - When is 'A Night At The Roxbury' going to street?
Of course, now that Paramount says they're going to be more focused and release more catalogue product now that they're HD DVD exclusive, the big question remains - When is 'A Night At The Roxbury' going to street?
08-20-07, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MrDs10e
Eventually, one way or another, a high-definition format of some kind will take over for SD-DVD, and SD-DVD will be phased out. It may be HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or something else that takes over, but it will be ONE thing that takes over, not co-existing HD formats. Two or more HD formats might co-exist with SDDVD for a while, but when SD-DVD gets ready to retire, there is only going to be ONE format that is going to replace it. How long it will be before all this happens is anybody's guess, but 5-10 years seems like a reasonable window to me. I'd be shocked if you can still buy a new SD-DVD in a store in 2017. I would not be shocked if they were pretty much gone from stores as soon as 2012.
But what seems certain to me now with this news is that in 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner, the bull-headed executives from Sony and Toshiba who couldn't come to a format agreement are going to look back and realize that they set back the high definition revolution by years and cost both their companies billions of dollars.
We live in an era where people love their electronic toys and their are a lot of people with plenty of disposible income. I'm convinced that if there had been a single format from the start, with a $300 player and $20 discs, HD would have 10 times the market saturation that it has right now. A lot of people have HDTVs and a lot of people have money to spend on new gadgets. The changeover actually might have happened very quickly.
But I think the majority of consumers are like me: they don't want to be the sap in 3 years stuck with a $500 player that discs aren't being made for anymore that they can only use to watch their collection of 10 or 15 overpriced discs they bought when they felt SURE that (HD-DVD/BluRay) was going to be around forever. The masses aren't going to go for that, especially with the Betamax fiasco being so fresh in our social consciousness. This announcement is great evidence of why those of us who are holding off are right.
Stubborness and arrogance must rule the day at the boardroom tables at Sony and Toshiba, both thinking they are going to win the war and rule the HD world. But at this point, even if one of them does eventually win, it will be so bloody expensive by the end, both will wish they had cut a deal.
But what seems certain to me now with this news is that in 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner, the bull-headed executives from Sony and Toshiba who couldn't come to a format agreement are going to look back and realize that they set back the high definition revolution by years and cost both their companies billions of dollars.
We live in an era where people love their electronic toys and their are a lot of people with plenty of disposible income. I'm convinced that if there had been a single format from the start, with a $300 player and $20 discs, HD would have 10 times the market saturation that it has right now. A lot of people have HDTVs and a lot of people have money to spend on new gadgets. The changeover actually might have happened very quickly.
But I think the majority of consumers are like me: they don't want to be the sap in 3 years stuck with a $500 player that discs aren't being made for anymore that they can only use to watch their collection of 10 or 15 overpriced discs they bought when they felt SURE that (HD-DVD/BluRay) was going to be around forever. The masses aren't going to go for that, especially with the Betamax fiasco being so fresh in our social consciousness. This announcement is great evidence of why those of us who are holding off are right.
Stubborness and arrogance must rule the day at the boardroom tables at Sony and Toshiba, both thinking they are going to win the war and rule the HD world. But at this point, even if one of them does eventually win, it will be so bloody expensive by the end, both will wish they had cut a deal.
Had there been only one format, the players would not be near $300, and the software would not be near $20. Competition has spurred lower pricing. At this rate, we're ahead of where we would have been had there been only one format.
And I'm not so sure Betamax is all that fresh in most people's minds. People here, being home theater enthusiasts, know about it, but I think most people younger than 30 probably don't know very much about Beta at all.
08-20-07, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by waporvare
Hey remember when Disney only offered Divx titles?
A great write up about divx winning the format war
http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virgini...g98/cover.html
If the market leans towards HD-DVD Disney would either go neutral or switch. They've done so in the past.
Anything is possible.
A great write up about divx winning the format war
http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virgini...g98/cover.html
If the market leans towards HD-DVD Disney would either go neutral or switch. They've done so in the past.
Anything is possible.
08-20-07, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Transformers and Bourne will be monsters for hd-dvd and Shrek 3 will be a couple of steps below that. I'm not so sure about the others. Tv shows and comedies tend to not sell well in hdm.
08-20-07, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by waporvare
Hey remember when Disney only offered Divx titles?
A great write up about divx winning the format war
http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virgini...g98/cover.html
If the market leans towards HD-DVD Disney would either go neutral or switch. They've done so in the past.
Anything is possible.
A great write up about divx winning the format war
http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virgini...g98/cover.html
If the market leans towards HD-DVD Disney would either go neutral or switch. They've done so in the past.
Anything is possible.
Yet...I still think Divx could have lasted had the players been cheaper. 'Buying' a rental for $4 and letting it sit until you are ready to watch it is kinda neat.
08-20-07, 11:05 PM
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Does anyone think Sony'll make a combo player? LMAO
08-20-07, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
No, but Samsung who was once Blu-Ray only, launching the first Blu-Ray player here in America, is. Along with a rumored HD DVD only player.
08-20-07, 11:12 PM
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The best product doesn't always win. Beta was better than VHS, but VHS was a lot cheaper, faster, than Beta.
It's consumerism at it's best. The best CHEAPEST format will win. History has proven this time and time again. In this case HD-DVD is cheaper to manufacture, and the players are cheaper to buy. Plus, let's not forget that JSP knows what a DVD is and HD-DVD sounds similiar enough. Name recognition.
Sony could win, but they need to cut the cost significantly to at least match HD-DVD, otherwise they may scream they have the highest capacity, the best PQ, the best product...and the latest BEST thing they had to fall to an inferior product, to be placed on the shelf, next to the mini discs, CONNECT digital music project, the Clies, and beta-max's.
Betamaxed
It's consumerism at it's best. The best CHEAPEST format will win. History has proven this time and time again. In this case HD-DVD is cheaper to manufacture, and the players are cheaper to buy. Plus, let's not forget that JSP knows what a DVD is and HD-DVD sounds similiar enough. Name recognition.
Sony could win, but they need to cut the cost significantly to at least match HD-DVD, otherwise they may scream they have the highest capacity, the best PQ, the best product...and the latest BEST thing they had to fall to an inferior product, to be placed on the shelf, next to the mini discs, CONNECT digital music project, the Clies, and beta-max's.
Betamaxed
08-20-07, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Rumored being the key word.
"As a member of the DVD Forum and contributor to the DVD Industry, we recognize that both HD-DVD and BD formats have merits. As such, we have decided to market a dual format player. Samsung is flexible to market a stand-alone HD-DVD player whenever consumers demand it. Our main concern is not technology but consumer choice” said Dongsoo Jun, Executive Vice President of the Digital AV Division at Samsung Electronics"
I'm sure Samsung is still a bit miffed at the BDA blaming the crappy early Blu-ray movies on the Samsung player and not the actually transfers (which was the case).
08-20-07, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
No, but Samsung who was once Blu-Ray only, launching the first Blu-Ray player here in America, is. Along with a rumored HD DVD only player.
Apparently, Humor in this area of the forum isnt taken kindly. Especially after the headed debated with a couple of people above.
08-20-07, 11:36 PM
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...nouncement/877
In its statement, the BDA expresses what can only be described as bewilderment at why Paramount and sister studio DreamWorks would choose to exclusively support HD DVD at a time when the sales gulf between the two formats seems to be so clearly in Blu-ray's favor.
"The decision seems oddly timed given Blu-ray's tremendous momentum both with consumers and with retail," said Andy Parsons, Chairman, Blu-ray Disc Association US Promotions Committee. "Blu-ray title sales continue to outpaceHD-DVD sales by nearly a 2 to 1 margin, and major retailers have expressed a strong preference for Blu-ray.
"Moreover, the price delta between HD DVD and Blu-ray players has been greatly reduced in the past few months, a trend that is on its way to eliminating any perceived cost advantage the HD DVD format has claimed to have. Under these circumstances, we can only imagine what could have enticed Paramount to walk away from a format that is clearly selling significantly more software than the HD-DVD format."
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Damn. Even Blu-Ray studios whine...
In its statement, the BDA expresses what can only be described as bewilderment at why Paramount and sister studio DreamWorks would choose to exclusively support HD DVD at a time when the sales gulf between the two formats seems to be so clearly in Blu-ray's favor.
"The decision seems oddly timed given Blu-ray's tremendous momentum both with consumers and with retail," said Andy Parsons, Chairman, Blu-ray Disc Association US Promotions Committee. "Blu-ray title sales continue to outpaceHD-DVD sales by nearly a 2 to 1 margin, and major retailers have expressed a strong preference for Blu-ray.
"Moreover, the price delta between HD DVD and Blu-ray players has been greatly reduced in the past few months, a trend that is on its way to eliminating any perceived cost advantage the HD DVD format has claimed to have. Under these circumstances, we can only imagine what could have enticed Paramount to walk away from a format that is clearly selling significantly more software than the HD-DVD format."
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Damn. Even Blu-Ray studios whine...