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Old 09-01-11, 06:03 PM
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Figures. I cancelled my preorder a month ago. I should've waited when it actually meant something
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
It's all about subtle tweaks. Things that most people don't even know about and probably wouldn't even notice when watching it.
Totally. It's like the subtle changes they made for the Lion King DVD. But at least you can watch the original version on there cause that new "Morning Report" song was balls...
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Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
Totally. It's like the subtle changes they made for the Lion King DVD. But at least you can watch the original version on there cause that new "Morning Report" song was balls...
And by original version you mean "Kimba, the White Lion".
Old 09-01-11, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
You mean "Frankenstein's monster".

Sorry but I guess I just had to add to the anal retentiveness of this thread.
I guess they got some of the titles of the sequels incorrect like "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man."
Old 09-01-11, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
I fucking get sooo annoyed that they call the monster Frankenstein. I've hated that since I was a little kid.
Why, doesn't offspring usually have the same last name as their parent? Or should the monster be considered more an invention then a child, and be referred to as The Frankenstein?
Old 09-01-11, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
Totally. It's like the subtle changes they made for the Lion King DVD. But at least you can watch the original version on there cause that new "Morning Report" song was balls...
Unfortunately they changed a lot more than just adding Morning Report. There were MANY changes made to the whole film. Look it up.
Old 09-01-11, 06:52 PM
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I'm trying to think of what possible reason there is for the NOOOO change. I mean, what was going through his head when he was sitting there thinking.. "hm, this scene needs something."? Is he just trying to make father more like son, because I think Luke screams "NO!" a couple times in the movies.. Could it be some sort of "full circle" thing for Vader because "NOOO" was one of the first things he said as he became Vader and now is one of the last things he said before dying and becoming Anakin again? I just... am at a loss over this one...
Old 09-01-11, 07:13 PM
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I don't need corrections, just the original versions. ----acutally I don't need them at all. (See Below)

A lot of these small changes seem like they were designed for 3-D purposes. The exploding R2 with lots of light shooting out, a 3-D type staple. Same thing for the rock...probably meant for the rock and R2 to show some depth. Perhaps even Jabba's door, some type of 3-D shot.

Just read this guy's article, makes a lot of sense
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/re...-george-lucas/

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Old 09-01-11, 07:14 PM
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It looks like outraged fans have dropped the Amazon rating down to 2 1/2 stars. Not that anyone gives a shit about Amazon movie ratings, but the amount of 1-star reviews is astounding.
Old 09-01-11, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
I'm not seeing much of a difference? The bottom shot is just brighter and the color is a bit different. Even 3P0 looks different. Doesn't look like anything's changed, or am I missing something?

EDIT: I guess he is reflecting more light off certain surfaces. Huh, nice find...
R2 is also now venting hot steam. I'm pretty ambivalent about this. Would love to know why some scenes bother Lucas over others.

And can I just say that after what Lucas has done to RotJ, I now have a new appreciation for the original version of the movie before he screwed it up? I honestly can't remember why I was so critical of it in the past.
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Originally Posted by chanster
Just read this guy's article, makes a lot of sense
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/re...-george-lucas/
I totally disagree with this article, because it continues to make the argument this whole SW debacle is our fault for loving the movies too much.

If Lucas put out the OOT on DVD in 2004 and BluRay in 2011, this debate would be non-existent. I still buy and love Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, Superman, Ghostbusters, Rocky, and nobody is saying its time to move on from those movies that I watched during my childhood a ZILLION times on HBO.

If Lucas put out the OOT in equal quality, all the PT, CloneWars, and EU debate would be a minor debate among SW geeks the same way trekkies debate their EU. The OOT brings in the casual fan, as I don't care about any of the shit outside of 4,5,6.

I have always said that Lucas created the OOT fanbase by not releasing the movies, and its not my fault that I still love those versions the same way I love the other movies I named above. This is ALL George Lucas's fault.
Old 09-01-11, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chanster
Just read this guy's article, makes a lot of sense
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/re...-george-lucas/
I'd make a counter argument: Star Wars (the first two anyway) are one of the few things kids tend to love that does genuinely hold up into adulthood, which makes the changes all the worse. Now, instead of being something you can grow up with and get more out of it as time passes, you're stuck with these increasingly degraded versions that dilute the narrative, the themes, and the filmmaking. Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress, not Spongebob Squarepants. Star Wars and Empire can and will stand the test of time in their original forms. These new versions can't even make it through the decade.
Old 09-01-11, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chanster
Just read this guy's article, makes a lot of sense
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/re...-george-lucas/
Interesting read, but seems to me like the dude who wrote it has some issues.. clearly he hates his younger self and is embarrassed by the way he was as a kid and the time he wasted reading SW books. He should tell his therapist about this instead of writing it in Entertainment Weekly.
Old 09-01-11, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ignohippo
The way he's doing it will keep him a money flow for the next 15+ years:

• Altered movies in HD - blu-ray (2011)
• Altered movies in HD - digital downloads (2012 or 2013)
• Altered movies in 3D - theaters (2012-2018)
• Altered movies in 3D - blu-ray (2019 or individually released each year through 2019)
• Originals restored in HD to blu-ray - 2020
• Originals restored in 3D to blu-ray - 2022

I'm telling you, this is all part of the plan.
I wish I had a retirement plan like that....makes my pension, IRA, and 401(k) look quite foolish!
Old 09-01-11, 08:43 PM
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Richard Marquand must be turning over in his grave. Jedi has always been the weak link of the Holy Trilogy, but with each successive release, the movie goes down another peg:

1997: Jedi Rocks, Sarlaac Pit monster changed, New Age music added to ending.

2004: Hayden appears as a force ghost, Jar Jar Binks can be seen in the final montage music

2011: Vader says 'NOOO' twice before killing the Emperor.

I guess will call this the Jedi 7 year rule: Every 7 years Lucas will fuck up Jedi even more.
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Originally Posted by chanster
Just read this guy's article, makes a lot of sense
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/re...-george-lucas/
So people shouldn't like the same things they liked when they were kids because kids are stupid? I wonder what the millions of lifelong sports fans who grew up going to games with their dads would say about that?

And before you go all "but sports are real and star wars isn't", stop and ask yourself: how are a bunch of millionaires playing a children's backyard game any different than a bunch of millionaires playing dress-up and making a movie?
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Originally Posted by Jason
So people shouldn't like the same things they liked when they were kids because kids are stupid? I wonder what the millions of lifelong sports fans who grew up going to games with their dads would say about that?
Yeah, pretty much. Sports included.
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I'm keeping my pre-order for the novelty of it.
Old 09-01-11, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Evan Meadow
And by original version you mean "Kimba, the White Lion".
Haha, touche my friend!
Old 09-01-11, 10:21 PM
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Unfortunately they changed a lot more than just adding Morning Report. There were MANY changes made to the whole film. Look it up.
I'm sure you're right, but this is one of those times where I'd rather just be ignorant and enjoy the movie...
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Originally Posted by mcnabb
Richard Marquand must be turning over in his grave. Jedi has always been the weak link of the Holy Trilogy, but with each successive release, the movie goes down another peg:

1997: Jedi Rocks, Sarlaac Pit monster changed, New Age music added to ending.

2004: Hayden appears as a force ghost, Jar Jar Binks can be seen in the final montage music

2011: Vader says 'NOOO' twice before killing the Emperor.

I guess will call this the Jedi 7 year rule: Every 7 years Lucas will fuck up Jedi even more.
Jedi was fucked up from the beginning. Does anyone remember Ewoks?

Now if Lucas went back and erased them from the movie, that would be a change I could get behind.
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Originally Posted by Texan26
I guess they got some of the titles of the sequels incorrect like "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man."
Yes they did.

I cancelled all my pre-orders for those.
Old 09-01-11, 11:00 PM
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Wasn't sure if this NY Times article had been posted or not.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...n-of-the-jedi/

If so, oh well, again for your reading pleasure.
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
Jedi was fucked up from the beginning. Does anyone remember Ewoks?

Now if Lucas went back and erased them from the movie, that would be a change I could get behind.
Ewoks have never been and will never be fucked up.

Ewoks is just the litmus test to know if you'd hit puberty yet.

Cause if you weren't a fan of them, you were now thinking of girls in a totally different light.
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Originally Posted by Evan Meadow

Ewoks is just the litmus test to know if you'd hit puberty yet.
I thought that was the Carrie Fisher slave girl scenes.


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