Deftones

this is fiction, not your life. if you lived this, and they were changing how your life happened, then yes, you have every right to be mad. outside of that, get over it. it's a ridiculous thing to be upset over. even more so, when you've seen 2 minutes of footage and are making a judgment about an entire movie based on that.

Deftones

Yeah, because time travel to go back in time to get some whales totally was quality Star Trek.

Tracer Bullet

That's my second-favorite Trek movie.

Groucho

I was going to post my thoughts on the trailers (which I saw last night), but what's the point? I'm only going to get attacked...regardless of my view. The discourse in this thread has gone down the toilet.

Trevor

Wrong thread. There are no bathrooms in Star Trek.

Jason

Are they still planning on shoehorning this movie into the current continuity by having Nimoy play the old spock at the begining/end? If this is a stand-alone movie, it can be judged on its own merits, but if it's supposed to be tied to the original series, even though it's completely different and contradictory, it's going to be hard to swallow.

Deftones

thanks for proving my point.

Sean O'Hara

- No Gary Mitchell
- McCoy as CMO when Kirk takes command
- Kirk as James Dean-style rebel instead of a driven young man who will do anything to win.
- Enterprise built on Earth, apparently in Iowa. (The TOS dedication plaque lists San Fransisco as its construction site, most likely an orbital dockyard above SF.)
- The reports of the preview footage indicate that Kirk takes command of the Enterprise shortly after graduating the academy. Besides the fact that this doesn't make sense, it ignores his service on the Farragut.

Sean O'Hara

Yes, it was a great film in keeping with A Piece of the Action, The Trouble with Tribbles, and Assignment: Earth.

DJariya

I saw the trailer last night at Quantum of Solace and personally I like what I saw.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this next summer.

I have to agree with an earlier post that this franchise really really needed a re-boot with new writers and a fresh direction. I am hoping that Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci will have done that with this film.

I'm also a big Star Trek fan, but even I know that this franchise can't live in the past anymore and needs fresh young faces like Pine and Quinto to appeal to this generation and be a profitable franchise again.

milo bloom

I sure as heck thought so, and so did a lot of international film distributors. It was often released overseas as THE VOYAGE HOME (Star Trek IV), even in parts of the world where Trek films had previously not done very well. And it was because of it's universal appeal: futuristic astronauts returning to Earth after being away find a giant breakfast sausage blasting the planet, they figure out it wants to talk to whales so, by golly, they go back in time to get some. You show our heroes doing the fish out of water schtick, a little Abbot and Costello (Kirk, Spock and Gillian in the truck), all you need to add is a little recap of footage from the 2nd and 3rd movies at the beginning, and you have an international hit.

The Voyage Home is proof positive that you can make a movie that can appeal to the hardcore and to the casual fans, not to mention the general movie-goer.


Great list, even allowing for changes due to temporal chicanery, there would have been plenty of room for a mass-appeal origin story that still would fit in with what we know.

(Although, the young Kirk as a rebel bit isn't new, 1992's Best Destiny by Diane Carey has the same idea, but she manages to fit it within existing continuity (of the time), and even fits in Captain Robert April, whom this movie seems to be outright ignoring.)

Deftones

yeah, if there's one thing that ST has shown us they do consistently is "shtick"

TGM

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watch while you can!

Sean O'Hara

Sounds like someone lost at Strip Fizzbin one too many times.

Mr. Salty

Maybe, maybe not. The Empire article is a little ambiguous. The clip reviewed starts in Iowa, and Kirk takes a shuttle to where the Enterprise is being built on Earth. But that's not necessarily in Iowa. I assume the clip starts with Kirk in Iowa because that's where he's from.

Superboy

Yeah, imagine a thread about a popular sci-fi franchise going descending into idiocy before people even see the movie.

Sean O'Hara

The trailer shows him riding across flat, open country, which is more like Iowa than northern California.

RoboDad

True, but seeing that doesn't imply anything, other than him leaving home in search of the "something better" the voice-over talks about. The shot of him arriving at the shipyard definitely shows hills in the background, FWIW, hills that (at least) look consistent with the SF Bay Area hills I grew up with. But we really don't know anything more than that at this point. We don't even know if those shots are from the same final cut sequence. They could be 15 minutes apart in the film, just cut together for dramatic trailer effect.

MaxMFP

The movie looks like utter garbage. A pathetic, cynical attempt to make Star Trek "cool". I honestly don't see how any long-time fan can say this looks good.

Chew

I'm with you Groucho.

Solid Snake

is that L. Fishburne speaking in the trailer..sounds like it.

Superman07

Saw the trailer this weekend infront of Bond. I'm sorry, rag on me all you want, but while this may look like Star Trek it certainly does not feel like it. As the GF said, they're trying to make Star Trek look "cool", and to me that makes this effort uncool.

Draven

Saw the trailer and I'm pumped.

I never liked TOS very much. The films were ok (some of them) but the TV series is so dated and cheesy that I can't support it at all. I liked TNG a great deal and DS9 to a lesser extent. Voyager and Enterprise were terrible, IMHO.

However, I've always appreciated the potential of the series, and my favorite moments of any of the Trek movies or TV episodes centered around the big epic stories and battles (Best of Both Worlds, Yesterday's Enterprise, and so forth). So the sheer level of ass-kicking that this seems to have has me very excited for a redo. The series definitely needs it.

Bandoman

Unless someone here has read the script and can tell us exactly what happens I'm going to wait until I see the movie before I start complaining about inconsistencies. I want to see how Abrams explains things.

Solid Snake

just an observation..but when you people say canon do you mean canon based on what we've seen from the films and TV...or canon based on what the books that MOST of the general populace doesn't read of + the 2 visual mediums? To me the ST canon is ONLY based on the films and TV shows. Much like Star Wars. Though I did read the post Jedi book of Boba Fett and when Chewie dies...only out of curiousity and boredom. The Fett one was entertaining...